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Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets #1480948
27/03/2014 11:06
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Or so the knockers would have you believe...

I was thinking back on mine after nearly twenty years. In that time it's left me on the side of the road I think fewer than five times:

  • Cambelt broke at 45k miles, a fortnight before it was booked in for a change: all 16 valves replaced.
  • Bottom end expired at about 65k miles, probably as a result of bearing damage from the cambelt breaking: 'keep me running' scrap engine stuffed in and still there 100k later...
  • Non start at around 80k miles: starter motor replaced.
  • Non start at around 100k miles: failure of the ignition amplifier: replaced with new.


And that's about it. It's had three exhaust systems, one clutch, three or four alternators, two batteries, two thermostats, and a radio - all service items except the last.

It's been shunted up the rear twice, once squashing it between the shunter and a landrover; it's had an incident where one side was gauged by a scaffolding bar. It's had two or three small patch repairs on the cabin floor. It's been resprayed once and it's about to get another.

It's commuted through London; been cross-country on farm tracks and mountain roads; been in the north of Scotland at -20C; been driven flat out for hours on the Autobahn; been thrashed around Spa.

And yet, I get in it and it still fires on the first spin, and it still makes me smile whenever I drive it.

Unreliable rustbucket my bottom parts!


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1480953
27/03/2014 11:21
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That's a better track record than some of the under two year old VW's I used to work on. German reliability pah.

I found VAGs to be no more reliable than any other.
But.......
when I worked for Mercedes commercial the local ambulance
Authority proudly announced they could buy 3 fiat ducatos to one merc sprinter.
We were forever replacing broken trim / handles / hinges / clutches and broken gear lever mounts on the fiats.
While the Mercedes just had routine servicing and the odd clutch / dm flywheel.

That's what put me off coupes back in 98 even though I thought they looked amazing.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1480991
27/03/2014 16:07
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Mind you, I've heard Merc are no where near as reliable as they'd have you think. Particularly in recent years. From what I understand, the mid 90's was the period where they were best engineered, then cost cutting etc caused quality to fall. Mr J Clarkson I believe had some comments to make on the posh Merc has has owned.

BMW also have suffered from quality issues. Just read up on some of the motorbike forums. These bikes cost £15k plus too.

I'll tell you who are much worse than Fiat (in recent years).

Peugeot. Flimsy, stuff breaks. Electrics dodgy. Owned two from new, and not impressed.

The best seem to be Skoda and some Jap marked ..... in all the surveys at least.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1480998
27/03/2014 16:48
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6 and a half year of ownership and I've had two flat batteries, one exhaust falling off and one engine mount bolt snap. Other than that it's been a good as gold.

Mind you I've practically rebuilt the mechanical items, bar the engine and turbo, in that time, but that wasn't because they let me down.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: Gunzi] #1481020
27/03/2014 19:21
27/03/2014 19:21

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Ok i have to comment.
I have done over 480,000 miles in the 3 coupes we have owned.
Two exhausts fallen off
One turbo fed its insides to the engine... so rebuild of top end required
A couple of burst water hoses
And the oil cooler pipes once failed in a car park while not moving so no other damage.

Frozen hand brakes and doors have not let me drive a few times...but the weather was rubbish.

I have bought so much oil and screenwash, and new bulbs every 6 months in the headlights and tyres every 20,000 miles. Disks every 50,000 ish.

But if kept on top of they seem to go on and on.

Roy

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481026
27/03/2014 20:21
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Awesome mileage Roy. I must admit fiat cars are much better than the vans.
I worked for Mercedes main dealer from leaving school in 93 till 2001 they were good then.
But 01 to 03 vags were awful. Especially 1.6 golf between those years.
VW offered £50 to techies finding any potential problems they didn't know about. Let's say 2001/2 was a good year for finding faults.

I went jap after leaving there.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481054
27/03/2014 23:14
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In the 5 years I had my coupe the only time it left me by the side of the road was in the 1st month when the plastic bush retaining the gear stick snapped which cost a grand total of 30p to replace; then 4 years later when the accelerator cable snapped which together with a connector block cost me about £6 to replace.

Spent a small fortune on the usual servicing, and only a daily driver for the 1st 3 years, but I can't fault it for reliability. I've had younger vw's (major injection failure), saabs (ECU failed), renaults (repeated clutch cable design fault), vauxhalls (head gaskets) all of which never matched the reliability.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481070
28/03/2014 01:26
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The problem with fiat and reliability is the owners.People tend to buy fiats cheap then spend about 50 pence on maintaining it then there bottom lip drops when it breaks down .People that buy german cars spend decent money maintaining there cars therefor they tend to be reliable.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481077
28/03/2014 07:40
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The point we made in the book, and which I have made repeatedly on here: I think there are very few cars which, with sensible servicing and sympathetic driving, will not do a quarter million miles, much as the makers hate that.

There are, however, a lot of twenty-year-old cars which will not see the end of the year; Fiats are not the only ones but it's all for the same reason - people buy them cheap and would rather complain about unreliability than spend money servicing.

My 16 was a daily driver for seventeen years, and would be still if I could afford the extra four grand a year the fuel would cost me over the diesel.


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481085
28/03/2014 09:21
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Rust is now a issue though. By the time you see it, its already eaten through seams.
I saw a 52 plate focus yesterday that was severely rotten. And a mazda 6 with rotten arches.
I think the coupe has stood up well in the rust department. But we need to act now. As this is what IS going to kill these cars off.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481090
28/03/2014 09:53
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I owned my last Coupe for 8 years and covered 60k miles. It was my daily hack, but also cared for and looked after. The only things that needed replacing in that time (other than service items) were the oil cooler pipes and the exhaust manifold. The oil cooler pipes were even covered under warranty if you can believe that!

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481097
28/03/2014 10:07
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OK, Dan, you are going to have to spill the beans on how you got Fiat to replace the oil cooler pipes under warranty...

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: ] #1481117
28/03/2014 13:13
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Originally Posted By: Cabbie
OK, Dan, you are going to have to spill the beans on how you got Fiat to replace the oil cooler pipes under warranty...


That's the thing - It wasn't Fiat. I bought the car used from a VW dealer with a year warranty. I got the pipes replaced by Fiat for £440 and sent the invoice to VW. I was stunned to receive a cheque in the post a week later for the full amount!

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481123
28/03/2014 14:23
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Very cool

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1481681
31/03/2014 22:28
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Gunzi,

Your coupe looks fantastic.

Thats all

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1483042
09/04/2014 23:49
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I have had my coupé from new 1999 and in that time i have covered 167k miles, i have had 2 cambelt changed 2 sets of disc brakes, 1 exhaust,2 battery,1 clutch and that's it...oh i forgot to mention it had been keyed on both sides so i had it sprayed.
It has never never let me down, my wife told me to sell it and get myself a new car and i did think of selling it but glad i didn't, to keep my wife happy i did by a new car a merc cls....guess what i prefer to drive my coupé 20v turbo,

So there you have it this is a very reliable car, still has its original turbo!


Freddie
Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1483083
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That is a good commendation for the longevity of the Coupe !

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1483403
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
Or so the knockers would have you believe...

I was thinking back on mine after nearly twenty years. In that time it's left me on the side of the road I think fewer than five times:

  • Cambelt broke at 45k miles, a fortnight before it was booked in for a change: all 16 valves replaced.
  • Bottom end expired at about 65k miles, probably as a result of bearing damage from the cambelt breaking: 'keep me running' scrap engine stuffed in and still there 100k later...
  • Non start at around 80k miles: starter motor replaced.
  • Non start at around 100k miles: failure of the ignition amplifier: replaced with new.


And that's about it. It's had three exhaust systems, one clutch, three or four alternators, two batteries, two thermostats, and a radio - all service items except the last.

It's been shunted up the rear twice, once squashing it between the shunter and a landrover; it's had an incident where one side was gauged by a scaffolding bar. It's had two or three small patch repairs on the cabin floor. It's been resprayed once and it's about to get another.

It's commuted through London; been cross-country on farm tracks and mountain roads; been in the north of Scotland at -20C; been driven flat out for hours on the Autobahn; been thrashed around Spa.

And yet, I get in it and it still fires on the first spin, and it still makes me smile whenever I drive it.

Unreliable rustbucket my bottom parts!


Barnacle, given your exclusive 'I've owned the original 16v Coop model from new and I've still got it' status, I seriously think you should write another book.

'Trust Doesn't Rust: Reflections on Twenty Years of Fiat Coupe Ownership.'

cool

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1483411
13/04/2014 13:50
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To be fair, there are one or two small rust patches but a damn sight fewer than one would have expected on a 20-year old fiat twenty years ago.


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484658
22/04/2014 16:55
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Barnacle, who would you recomend in fixing a few rust spots?
and a bit touching up here and there?
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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484659
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Oh..dont know if i posted my picture right?


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484662
22/04/2014 17:31
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I can't really recommend anyone local, Freddie - Joe (countrycruising) over near Tewksbury is sorting mine, and his painter bloke is pulling his hair out over it!

Are you talking dents/small spots, in which case one of the mobile dent sorters might be the way to go? Perhaps someone else can recommend for Herts?


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484918
24/04/2014 13:03
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Thanks in sorting my picture out for me..I will get the hang of it one day
I'd rather stick local really, it just needs some rust sorting around the door posts you can see it just starting to bubble up, does your car need a lot of work doing to it?
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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484919
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Dam!!!still cant do it..


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484920
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you could try my old mans business
www.autovilla.co.uk

however they are not cheap but you will get a top job!


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484923
24/04/2014 13:56
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Mine needed a complete respray; the paint on the roof and bonnet had reacted and had to come right off.

Click 'edit' under your post to see what I did with the image.


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484932
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
Mine's been needed a complete resprayed; the paint on the roof and bonnet had reacted and had to come right off.

Click 'edit' under your post to see what I did with the image.


Corrected you there Neil, past tense now mate laugh

Saw her this morning and I must say she's looking 18yrs younger love

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: Countrycruising] #1484949
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Originally Posted By: Countrycruising

Corrected you there Neil, past tense now mate laugh

Saw her this morning and I must say she's looking 18yrs younger love


Haha, should shove Neil in the booth then

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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484951
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My paint chaps skills aren't that good Simon laugh

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484953
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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484964
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@Simon and Joe - /me flexes mighty admin banning powers...

You got it, Freddie.


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484967
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I have had so many admiring glances and comments (at a BMW/Volvo specialist) today that I am now convinced that the Coupe has entered classic territory, it just looks so god-damn good and cool cool


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484970
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^^ What this man said. I think we've got there in terms of status. They're sufficiently obscure enough that nice one attracts interest.

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1484983
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You missed out 'money pit'

Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1485007
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
@Simon and Joe - /me flexes mighty admin banning powers...


Do your worst mate, there'll be a Scottish FCCUK paid for by proceeds from illicit stills after Sept 18th laugh

frown

Ooh, methinks we got Barnacle in a "stir" Joe

coat

(takes off yet one more coat evil )


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1485010
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Simon, if you take off too many coats, the midges will be able to get at you!


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1485014
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Nah I've still got my undercoat on laugh


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Re: Fiat Coupes are unreliable rust-buckets [Re: barnacle] #1485196
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Barnacle, please come round and show off your coupe when its finished.
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I think that could be arranged.


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