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Re: England Test Cricket
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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10/08/2014 09:17
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Well, thanks to India for making us look so good! Nobody can pretend that all is right in the England camp and India's batting was almost look-away embarrassing, but with Broad in A&E and Anderson battling a sickness bug, for England to bowl out the tourists for 161 will give them great encouragement. I'm so pleased for Moeen; as Agnew said, a combination of a lack of confidence from Cook and scorn from the Indian batsmen almost finished his bowling and maybe test career before it got going. Even if some of his wickets in the last 2 games have been down to complacency or incompetence by the batsmen (I refuse to use the hideous "batter" that seems to have invaded the game, though I suppose batswoman is a bit clumsy for the women's game) Moeen has either caused or enforced both collapses and worked damn hard to adjust his game to the test arena. Everyone knows he is no Swann, but he might make a pretty decent replacement. As all the pundits have said, our first change seam attack is the big problem; there is a strong chance that Broad will miss the Oval (actually not such a bad thing in some ways) and Anderson is obviously not at 100%, so we need someone else to lead the line. I tend to agree that neither Jordan nor Woakes has made a compelling case and Plunkett needs to be used more effectively. He has the pace, but if he can't bowl line and length, he's like left-right-sh*te era Mitchell Johnson. I would definitely, absolutely bring Finn in for the Oval. He's potentially a superb strike bowler, but never if we don't give him a chance. In the batting department, I'm a bit worried about Robson - all the Indian bowlers seem to have worked him out, which means every test bowler will be queuing up to have a go. He really needs a good knock to raise his confidence, or he'll be out. After the Indians leave, England have no more tests for 8 months I believe, so no more opportunities to try others, as Boycott said yesterday. On the positive side, Ballance looks like he'll make it in the long form, even if he's oddly anonymous. If Butler can improve his keeping (which always seems to be the case with keeper-batsmen) then England will heave a sigh of relief at filling Matt Prior's shoes. Good partnership between him and Root yesterday. The senior players finally seem to be finding a bit of form, too, so maybe England really have begun to turn the corner and see the light at the end of the tunnel, etc, etc. Looking forward to the Oval!
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Re: England Test Cricket
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11/08/2014 09:25
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Well, thanks to India for making us look so good! Nobody can pretend that all is right in the England camp and India's batting was almost look-away embarrassing, but with Broad in A&E and Anderson battling a sickness bug, for England to bowl out the tourists for 161 will give them great encouragement. I'm so pleased for Moeen; as Agnew said, a combination of a lack of confidence from Cook and scorn from the Indian batsmen almost finished his bowling and maybe test career before it got going. Even if some of his wickets in the last 2 games have been down to complacency or incompetence by the batsmen (I refuse to use the hideous "batter" that seems to have invaded the game, though I suppose batswoman is a bit clumsy for the women's game) Moeen has either caused or enforced both collapses and worked damn hard to adjust his game to the test arena. Everyone knows he is no Swann, but he might make a pretty decent replacement. As all the pundits have said, our first change seam attack is the big problem; there is a strong chance that Broad will miss the Oval (actually not such a bad thing in some ways) and Anderson is obviously not at 100%, so we need someone else to lead the line. I tend to agree that neither Jordan nor Woakes has made a compelling case and Plunkett needs to be used more effectively. He has the pace, but if he can't bowl line and length, he's like left-right-sh*te era Mitchell Johnson. I would definitely, absolutely bring Finn in for the Oval. He's potentially a superb strike bowler, but never if we don't give him a chance. In the batting department, I'm a bit worried about Robson - all the Indian bowlers seem to have worked him out, which means every test bowler will be queuing up to have a go. He really needs a good knock to raise his confidence, or he'll be out. After the Indians leave, England have no more tests for 8 months I believe, so no more opportunities to try others, as Boycott said yesterday. On the positive side, Ballance looks like he'll make it in the long form, even if he's oddly anonymous. If Butler can improve his keeping (which always seems to be the case with keeper-batsmen) then England will heave a sigh of relief at filling Matt Prior's shoes. Good partnership between him and Root yesterday. The senior players finally seem to be finding a bit of form, too, so maybe England really have begun to turn the corner and see the light at the end of the tunnel, etc, etc. Looking forward to the Oval!
Great summary Jim.
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Re: England Test Cricket
[Re: Jim_Clennell]
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11/08/2014 10:50
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Getting criticised by Shane Warne sadly means nothing these days. I thought his commentary contributions on last summer's Ashes were refreshing and surprisingly unbiased, but since then he's disappeared up his own (and KP's) ar5e. Difficult, but he seems to have managed it. The personal level of his attacks devalues any cricketing points he makes.
I feel very sorry for Monty; if he had been shown a bit more love by England at a time when he was clearly vulnerable, I think he would have avoided a lot of the problems he's gone through. As a side noted for sticking with players, Monty conversely seemed to be dropped like a hot brick once Swann revealed himself as a spinning god. He did develop other deliveries, but didn't get much of a chance to try them out. I'm not saying he was perfect by any means, but it felt to me like he was discarded a bit casually.
I agree that Woakes ought to move over - for the moment. Neither his batting nor bowling were effective enough and, although Stokes hasn't performed that well for England either, I think he shades it of the two. However, I still think I'd prefer Finn to either of them. If he can be coaxed back to his potential, his batting should be pretty irrelevant.
I agree that Jordan has more of a positive influence overall, so I guess he stays.
Who would you go for if Robson doesn't make the grade? I'd be loathe to mess around with the order, especially as the other players seem to be finding form, but do England have another opener with the talent/class?
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Re: England Test Cricket
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11/08/2014 12:22
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Opening partnership is a tough one. We have won the last two tests because the top order started batting at last. However if Cook fails again at the Oval and Robson does too then it can soon all fall apart.
The Aussie tour debarcle came about by a lack of batting resilience along with a divided team. Cook was failing as was Carberry, and Trott was in trouble and other than Stokes everyone else followed suit. This blow to Cooks form then seemed to prevent him being authoritative in the captain role. It is telling that he is a different person on the back of a win or two.
I would try Compton again for an opener? I think that's a good shout. To me he's today's Bill Lawry, obdurate and gritty. He's also right-handed which always makes the opening partnership a little more niggly for a bowling attack to deal with. Woakes is becoming like a Ravi Bopara figure, in this week and out the next. He hasn't done quite enough to help himself so he may fall again. Buttler is still raw in the catchy catchy department but then again so was Prior prone to a few howlers in the early part of his career. He'll develop more skill to be sure as he's a talented all-round sportsman. I'd also like to see both Moeen's and Root's spin bowling seriously encouraged, not the former can do much wrong at the moment even if the Indian batsmen are almost trying to get out at a specified point when he's bowling. My team: Cook Compton Ballance Bell Root Moeen Buttler Jordan Broad/Stokes Anderson Finn. I have to be convinced that a masked Broad will be at full tilt even if the spectacle of Zorro isn't enough to have everyone fall about. In that case Stokes in for him. Finn on the Oval wicket like Devon Malcolm before him has a chance to prove himself again and wreak havoc. Give the man a break and let him take wickets even if he does knock a bail off once or twice!
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Re: England Test Cricket
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11/08/2014 13:54
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Taking a look at the (almost) unchanged top six order now it's beginning to show signs of settling it's not a bad one at all! Agreed, bar Robson. He might yet make it, but he's not there yet in my view!
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Re: England Test Cricket
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11/08/2014 18:03
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Taking a look at the (almost) unchanged top six order now it's beginning to show signs of settling it's not a bad one at all! Agreed, bar Robson. He might yet make it, but he's not there yet in my view! To clarify, my six would have included Compton in place of Robson. Thank goodness Root is phlegmatic enough to have dealt with so much changes of position within the top order. It's looking like Ballance is a find beyond one's dreams to replace Trott (in his heyday) and in a way Bell can act, and appears to be doing so, as the senior batsman with space to himself on the stage now that KP (now what will he do, a vanishing trick? TV?) is filtered out.
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Re: England Test Cricket
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11/08/2014 21:08
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...Root has the potential to do almost anything... His brother plays a bit too; maybe a future opening partnership! Root squared?
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Re: England Test Cricket
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15/08/2014 13:48
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There's always a case for sticking with a winning team and this morning's play so far has shown no reason for changing that. 4 down!! That's reasonable enough for me Indian batting looking decidedly iffy it has to be said.
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