It's a low price after restoration bucause, although the cars are more expensive in Portugal, the painting is a lot cheaper.
This paint job you see on my restoration post will cost me 700 euro.

Regards
António Mota

Crikey
is it worth driving/ferrying down there for a holiday and getting a respray to boot

frontwheel drive rides for under 2000 .

http://www.carthrottle.com/8-entertaining-frontwheel-drive-rides-for-under-2000/

Good to see the Alfa 145 listed there as well, and surprised the Coupe is suggested to be less reliable.

I have had a 1.8TS and 2.0 Cloverleaf. The 1.8 is the better car IMHO, 140hp, same suspension and quick rack, cheaper, but a tiny bit lighter over the front wheels making for a little bit more nimbleness. The lack of balancers on the 1.8 also give a bit more feel to the car.

Cracking little hatches though, and dirt cheap.

Yes. Some Spanish friends paint their BMWs here in Portugal (also members of the BMW auto clube Portugal as myself).

The coupe is no less reliable than any other car of its vintage. A badly maintained, cheap, modified coupe is working outside its design parameters and can be expected to break just as any other badly maintained, cheap, modified car of the same age.

What do people expect? They all use the same metals, technologies, and techniques; they all buy their cable and connectors, sensors and actuators from the same suppliers.

i just think the coupe is put down as unreliable is down to how they are treated back when they were first released and of course the boy racer days.

Im selling my gorgeous 1998 2.0 turbo,stacks of history,receipts,mots,immaculate black leather etc but i know for a fact that i wont get anything near the 1650 i want for it.In fact im feeling guilty asking that much!
I've just stuck it on Ebay and i can guarantee you i wont get that for it.Trying to sell motors in Scotland is ridiculous,everyone either a)Just dont call you or mess you about,or b)Someone down south comes up and snaps it up.
In fact i cant remember the last time i sold anything to anyone nearby.Just a sold my motorcycle,guy drove up from Wales cor it and paid exactly half of what they sell for down south!Im expecting the same again to be honest.

Here is an extreme example of Portugal : http://www.standvirtual.com/carros/anuncios/Fiat/Coupe/P8076787/
and... its their second one the first one reached 22,000€.

I didn't bought my coupe, just saved him from the scrap yard,and if we get real, the money i'm going to spend in restoring him wont pay any future sell.

like my wife says... Theres things,i can't understand... i love them... but can´t understand!
so this is the definition of a 20 years old coupe : No reason, just passion!!!

Well. Portugal is the european country where the cars are more expensive. Both new and used cars. Because of the criminal car tax for new cars and the ilegal importing tax for cars coming from other european countries.

A practical exemple (with BMW's because it's my experience):
-Good Bmw 635csi from 1980 in Portugal: 20.000 euro (sold last week inside the bmw auto clube Portugal - from one member to another)
-good one in germany: 10.000 euro

To prevent a portuguese honest citizen from buying one for 10.000 euro + a big trip and lots of gas or pay a truck to take it to Portugal, the portuguese government introduces a tax to imported cars.
So, the bmw 635csi would cost 10.000 euro +transportation+40.000 euro tax.

And that's it... The war the Classic car clubs are fighting for years overdose here...
Then... The issue of the classic licence plate costing more than 500euro and receiving the bonus of an anual polution tax by the table of the new cars... €€€€ ... Brrr... It's unbelievable...

For a fiat coupe 2.0 the import tax is 8000 euro considering 250g/m3 polution.

Incredible.
I thought that like Italy there is nothing.

When I bought my Coupé I paid 1000euro for taxes!
For only change of owner!
And then, every year, everyone who has got a car with 220cv have to pay 600euros for taxes. And insurance (400euro).

So the first year:
- 2000euro for the car
- 1000euro for changing owner
- _600euro for taxes.

I have no words.

Because of taxes the T20 market value is less then 3000euro.
But - and it shows how Italian medium cooper is not ok - some people for the LE are able to pay up to 10'000euro.
For a coop mechanically identical to mine but with a small plate. I think that my99 Plus I'm wine red or yellow are much rare than the LE, but no one know that.
Welcome to Banana Republic (real name of Italy).

Well well well...

At least for the portuguese cars we have low tax values.

60e to change owner.

My 1996 16vt pais 142e per year of tax (up to 1995 it's 70e. About 50% reduction).

And the pre Classic insurance of 60e including on road assistance.

And please don't copy our country name! That will pay copyright.

My cars been sitting on Ebay for ages at £1450 and i only ever get the same question,what's the lowest you'd take mate,it's £1450!!How low am i meant to go??,prices are definetly 'not' on the way up,even for a good one like mine with service history,believe me!I've had offers of £1000 for it,what am i meant to replace it with for a grand?Its a joke.

General concensus of opinion seems to be at this moment in the market my car is worth,on average going by the offers,£800.Oh dear

I think yours is a pretty fair price considering what some people seem to be trying to sell theirs for on ebay. Someone wants 5k for a blue one with some ridiculous looking wheels (imo)

I paid £1000 for mine and had to travel all the way to London to get it, and cost me £200 in fuel and trailer rental. When I was buying there was about 7 for sale, with 2 at sub £600 and the rest at stupid £4-5000 which was out of my price bracket. My car had no MOT, or tax and needed the belt change, so I personally valued it at roughly £1500. I wish I knew about the forum now, because other than the absolutely mint condition team dynamic wheels and the brand new Yokohamas on it my car was average. For the same money I could have had an enthusiasts car with history on here, but you live and you learn.

I'm now on the journey to restore my coupe, but with the amazing breadth of knowledge on this forum it makes it so much easier.

Personally I would keep your coupe if you can, I think in 3 or 4 years 4k will be the minimum, and rust is slowly killing of the cars which are either being neglected or are sat SORN on someone's drive. In reality, they can only get rarer, and good ones will be worth a few quid.

I did the same, paid over a grand for mine in barely running condition, simply because at the time it was the only 16vt (that I could find) that was available, and for some reason they are stupidly cheap to insure compared to the 20vt. I'm hoping with it being rarer once it's in better shape it's value will climb, but it's not looking good at the moment.

My Scots Green cost 487 quid, taxed and MOTed but with a untraced engine ticking noise that turned out to be a loose manifold.

I was more or less quids in at that point, but definitely not now. It has had a front suspension rebuild, new turbo core, new tyres, zender skirts, decent re-paint, tidy up all round and some anti-corrosion work. I'll never get that money back on it, but its a keeper so its OK.

More money has already been spent for the next steps:
- refurb the standard wheels
- front under-tray
- 6 speed gearbox (plus the various refurbs and clutch which that will involve
- Belts
- 2.75inch exhaust

I do all the work myself, but even without the labour costs, its never going to be worth what is being spent, and what is being spent is no-where near what some do.

I paid £900 for my vis on an eBay auction,in July 2013. It came with zero service history and so I had to get the cambelt etc done, and it needed quite a bit of other work too, which was all carried out at Solo Italia. Strictly speaking it was not really economic to have all the work done as it cost about double what the car is worth, but I now have "a tidy little vis" (according to Rick) which I am really happy with, as it is proving to be very reliable and a total joy in every way.

Another one,
And still on the up.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C607808

Living next to the sea in salty morecambe, I'd be checking for rust!

I didn't really buy mine for the investment potential, just the fact that they are good value for money and great fun to drive.

I on the other hand did buy mine as an investment, bought it for 260 quid, with no tax or test, looking like this:

One coil spring, 1 break light bulb, a fresh mot, 3 years and 12 grand later, it now looks like this:

when I come to sell it, I'll make myself a nice little profit of about -8260 quid!

on a more serious note, I think it's great to see prices on the up, coupes are actually becoming exclusive, rather than just feeling it, nice examples are becoming harder and harder to find, and are only going to get more scarce over the next few years. So damn right they should be going up in value.

And just for the record.. I'll get buried in mine

That's a change from anyone not wanting to be seen dead in one...

She looks mighty fine Ang., fantastic job

Haha, I suppose it is! Thanks Simon

Does it really matter if Coop prices are going up?

They will NEVER reach a point where it's possible to make a profit!

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I bought mine just over 11 years ago with slightly more miles than that one - 34007 on the clock when I took it for a test drive - and paid £5200 then so I guess this one shows they have increased in value, but it wouldn't have been a particularly good investment if storage costs were included!