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Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537266 08/05/2015 18:57 08/05/2015 18:57
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,105 South Cambs B Barmybob Hon Club Member: 003
Barmybob Hon Club Member: 003 Je suis un Coupé B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,105 South Cambs	And as I said in another thread, so long as there are safe seats I won't vote. In my area a female lawyer based in London and with no links to our area was positioned as the conservative candidate. For me it just shows contempt towards everyone in our area no matter what your politics. I suspect similar things happen in other areas too. It's surely time to get rid of any system that can stop it. Gone Audi mad!

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537267 08/05/2015 18:59 08/05/2015 18:59
Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,650 Dark side of the Moon H_R My life on the forum
H_R My life on the forum Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,650 Dark side of the Moon	Did Nicola want the tories or not? If Scotland will be responsible for setting their own Taxes "according to the Gaurdian" then should they not want, certain Austerity measures set by London, they would have to make their own choices in what to cut! Could that backfire on Nicola as it would be seen as her choosing some of the austerity, and perhaps a bit more tricky to blame London!? According to the Gaurdian That Scotland bill will “honour in full our commitments to Scotland to devolve extensive new powers” including giving the Scottish parliament the right to set its own levels of income tax. But that will be coupled with new legislation giving English MPs a veto over matters that only affect England, including the introduction of an England-only income tax by next March’s budget in 2016, on which the new SNP MPs will be barred from voting. Giving English MPs a veto could also blunt the SNP’s intention to use their new-found clout to oppose the Tories plans for further austerity and make clear that if they do not want to make further cuts, especially welfare cuts in Scotland, then they will have to pay for them.

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537269 08/05/2015 19:28 08/05/2015 19:28
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glenn1960 Unregistered G	What puzzles me is a few months ago Scotland voted for independence. Most of Scotland geographically voted NO, but Glasgow voted YES. Due to the high population in Glasgow, the vote ended up being close. Now in a general election, they all vote SNP. So, if her wish is to have an independent country , why would the rest of Scotland suddenly decide to change their ideals and vote for it. They can't be that fickle up there ?

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537273 08/05/2015 19:57 08/05/2015 19:57
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty J Jim_Clennell Forum veteran
Jim_Clennell Forum veteran J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty	I think it's more to do with a different electoral system and a collective realisation of how much contempt the Westminster parties hold them in...

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537274 08/05/2015 20:11 08/05/2015 20:11
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds M MeanRedSpider Je suis un Coupé
MeanRedSpider Je suis un Coupé M Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds	The SNP vote is all about getting the most out of Westminster for devolution. There's no chance there'll be another referendum for a long while. The one thing that will trigger it is if the UK votes to leave the EU - that's probably what Sturgeon wants. People haven't changed their minds. One of our neighbours (a Lib Dem activist and used to work for Kennedy) was spat at by SNP supporters bussed up from Glasgow by Sturgeon by the coach-load to Inverness. It's a bit of a shame because there were some very good local MPs (regardless of politics) who have lost their jobs to some other people who are a lot less good. http://www.alfa.me.uk

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537276 08/05/2015 20:24 08/05/2015 20:24
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty J Jim_Clennell Forum veteran
Jim_Clennell Forum veteran J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty	Good people lost out all over the UK. One of the main reasons I'm glad this is all over is that it signals the retirement of my Mum and Dad from LibDem canvassing. They are both in their 80s and it's time someone younger took over.

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: ] #1537330 09/05/2015 01:13 09/05/2015 01:13
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,106 highlands jimboy Club Member 857
jimboy Club Member 857 Forum is my life Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,106 highlands	Originally Posted By: glenn1960 What puzzles me is a few months ago Scotland voted for independence. Most of Scotland geographically voted NO, but Glasgow voted YES. Due to the high population in Glasgow, the vote ended up being close. Now in a general election, they all vote SNP. So, if her wish is to have an independent country , why would the rest of Scotland suddenly decide to change their ideals and vote for it. They can't be that fickle up there ? You really don't have a clue do you? Seriously I really do wonder if you genuinely are just playing or are you anti Scottish as a hobby. Scotland does not want independence, it's been an English election offered to Scotland as has been said before. Tories in Scotland are a bad name here, Labour ironically born here, have been for the last some years steadily not listening to the working man on the street & were rejected. SNP was a vote for most Scots because it was simply the only option left, simple as that. Scotland wants to be heard at Westminster pure & simple, we do not take kindly to be told what to do, take it or leave it. I do wonder if the tables were turned & Scotland had the government HQ for the rest of the UK how you would react. No real surprise that the Tories were realected, I'm a wee bit surprised by how much though. Obviously there were not enough affected by their wee bit of England-shire to say no to keep Cameron out. It's so easy when I hear naive comments such as this when facts are just not known, you really have to live here or have friends in Scotland telling you how things are to have any understanding how passionate we Scots are about such matters. Bottom line....this is not really An English v Scottish thing. All Scots want is to be heard & not treated like some backwater. A fair deal, just like any other part of the UK. I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: jimboy] #1537335 09/05/2015 03:13 09/05/2015 03:13
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 17,799 Auld Reekie Edinburgh Club President, member225
Edinburgh Club President, member225 Forum veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 17,799 Auld Reekie	Originally Posted By: jimboy Originally Posted By: glenn1960 What puzzles me is a few months ago Scotland voted for independence. Most of Scotland geographically voted NO, but Glasgow voted YES. Due to the high population in Glasgow, the vote ended up being close. Now in a general election, they all vote SNP. So, if her wish is to have an independent country , why would the rest of Scotland suddenly decide to change their ideals and vote for it. They can't be that fickle up there ? You really don't have a clue do you? Seriously I really do wonder if you genuinely are just playing or are you anti Scottish as a hobby. Scotland does not want independence, it's been an English election offered to Scotland as has been said before. Tories in Scotland are a bad name here, Labour ironically born here, have been for the last some years steadily not listening to the working man on the street & were rejected. SNP was a vote for most Scots because it was simply the only option left, simple as that. Scotland wants to be heard at Westminster pure & simple, we do not take kindly to be told what to do, take it or leave it. I do wonder if the tables were turned & Scotland had the government HQ for the rest of the UK how you would react. No real surprise that the Tories were realected, I'm a wee bit surprised by how much though. Obviously there were not enough affected by their wee bit of England-shire to say no to keep Cameron out. It's so easy when I hear naive comments such as this when facts are just not known, you really have to live here or have friends in Scotland telling you how things are to have any understanding how passionate we Scots are about such matters. Bottom line....this is not really An English v Scottish thing. All Scots want is to be heard & not treated like some backwater. A fair deal, just like any other part of the UK. You put this so much bettter than me Jim, those basic points are exactly as I see them. Hats off, Nicola Sturgeon for being the catalyst that has facilitated the Scots voters to make their statement. Also that she played a clean campaign. Edit: the erudite Brian Taylor writes... Last edited by Edinburgh; 09/05/2015 03:33. BumbleBee carer

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537346 09/05/2015 08:57 09/05/2015 08:57
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds M MeanRedSpider Je suis un Coupé
MeanRedSpider Je suis un Coupé M Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds	Jim(boy) the only thing that surprises me a little by what your last para says is that the Highlands and Islands are to Holyrood what Scotland is to Westminster. We, up here, are ruled by people in the Central Belt who don't give a stuff about us. That was what was such a shame about the result. Ironically Inverness threw out the person who had actual direct influence in the past government. I guess Alexander paid the price for being part of the coalition. Given how shambolic Highland Council is in my experience, putting the leader of it into Westminster instead of Alexander, seems an odd choice. http://www.alfa.me.uk

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: MeanRedSpider] #1537353 09/05/2015 09:43 09/05/2015 09:43
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jimboy Club Member 857 Forum is my life Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,106 highlands	As I said before we have a North/South divide up here Rich. Inverness is a building site at the moment & I totally agree what you say about the Highland council. I've actually had dealings with Danny Alexander & quite frankly he just was no use & fobbed me off.He just did not cut the mustard. It's not just about him being in bed with the Tories, lots of people up here thought he just did not care enough & wasn't sympathetic towards their needs. He was not short of the odd silly stunt as well, the dueling of the A9 for instance, that was a bad choice for him to try & interfere with certain facts that were used to try & further his ego & make him look good. I still regard myself very fortunate as to where I live. I read on here & other sources down South, people stuck in inner cities in bad areas where crime/drugs are second nature & they are stuck there. Inverness may not be perfect, but it's a far cry from what I've just mentioned. Finally for me, as I see it, it makes little difference who is at the helm, life up in my neck of the woods isn't going to change much. Are you happy in your post code area. The feel good factor is really what's it all about in the end. I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537354 09/05/2015 09:52 09/05/2015 09:52
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds M MeanRedSpider Je suis un Coupé
MeanRedSpider Je suis un Coupé M Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds	Can't argue with any of that, Jim. I love where I live. The main concerns I have is that Raigmore can't attract the medical skills it needs (very short in oncology) and nor can the schools (Charlie needs at least an A in Advanced Higher biology and yet he doesn't actually have a biology teacher) - neither of those are anything to do with Westminster. The roads are a mess (Highland council throw good money after bad with terrible temporary repairs by people who have no idea what they are doing) and I think that the police have their priorities wrong. These are all local issues and the recent elections had little impact (other than the Highland Council will need a new leader and, apparently, the person in the frame is even more useless). http://www.alfa.me.uk

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537361 09/05/2015 11:11 09/05/2015 11:11
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 611 Aberdeenshire,Scotland A Azzura Enjoying the ride
Azzura Enjoying the ride A Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 611 Aberdeenshire,Scotland	Looking at the voting figures in Scotland, it paints an interesting situation. The total numbers voting for the SNP are pretty much the same as those who voted Yes in the referendum .... but there was one group of people who did'nt get to vote this week and that is the 16 and 17 year olds. It may be the case that the much vaunted SNP claim to represent the young and the future is tosh. Yesterday Sprint Blue 20VT,today Denim Blue TT225

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537364 09/05/2015 11:37 09/05/2015 11:37
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jimboy Club Member 857 Forum is my life Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,106 highlands	I think it was pretty much obvious that Salmond tried to use the young vote with spin & history attached at the time to sway them to vote for Independence. He saw this as an opportunity, Scotland as a whole however did not. No real surprises there. Hypothetically speaking, if there was another vote for Independence, the answer would still be no. But I would be very surprised if that happened for some time. I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: ali_hire] #1537373 09/05/2015 14:38 09/05/2015 14:38
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,144 Southampton, Hants Roadking Club member 1809
Roadking Club member 1809 Forum is my life Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,144 Southampton, Hants	Originally Posted By: ali_hire But their own leader can't even win his own seat? Yeah, great party. How did Sturgeon do in her own seat "RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537381 09/05/2015 15:29 09/05/2015 15:29
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barnacle Club Member 18 - ex-Minister without Portfolio Forum Demigod Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 33,771 Berlin	She wasn't standing in the election, was she? She was/is the leader of the Scottish parliament, no? Next year is the issue... all the SNP have done now is raised the cry of English MPs for English votes. Don't get no respect! Coupe Fiat 1994-2000 - an owner's guide <-- clicky!

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537405 09/05/2015 19:31 09/05/2015 19:31
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Big_Muzzie Unregistered B	I'm waiting to count off the manifesto 'fails' - I'm sure that there will be many..... As for Scotland, it's no different to any other county outside London, just so happens it's called a country. If the leader of the kingdom could think outside London there wouldn't be all the issues there are Now. I wish the snp good luck fighting austerity, you need one hell of an economy to avoid it.....

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: ] #1537416 09/05/2015 20:44 09/05/2015 20:44
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,105 South Cambs B Barmybob Hon Club Member: 003
Barmybob Hon Club Member: 003 Je suis un Coupé B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 8,105 South Cambs	For thos people who thought the Liberal Democrats had a bad night just spare a thought for THESE GUYS. They suffered a whopping 99.7% vote crash, from over 560,000 in 2010 to just 1,677 this week! I just wonder where those half million votes ended up? Gone Audi mad!

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: ] #1537430 09/05/2015 22:17 09/05/2015 22:17
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jimboy Club Member 857 Forum is my life Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,106 highlands	Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie I'm waiting to count off the manifesto 'fails' - I'm sure that there will be many..... As for Scotland, it's no different to any other county outside London, just so happens it's called a country. If the leader of the kingdom could think outside London there wouldn't be all the issues there are Now. I wish the snp good luck fighting austerity, you need one hell of an economy to avoid it..... Exactly, we are no different to other parts of the UK. We deserve better from Westminster. I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537432 09/05/2015 22:32 09/05/2015 22:32
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robcoupe20vt Enjoying the ride Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 777 State of Essex .	Maybe before the next vote on Scottish independence and it will come can we have a vote in England to say whether we want Scotland to be part of the uk as it seems very one sided . I listened on the radio a couple of weeks ago and roughly £10500 is spent per person in Scotland goverment spending .Wales has a similar slightly less amount and England has around £8500 . This does not seem fair ? Fiat 20VT Fiat 16vt Fiat 130TC Fiat 131 sport Kawasaki ZX6RP7F Kawasaki GPZ550 Kawasaki ZX7R P2

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537448 10/05/2015 09:00 10/05/2015 09:00
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Big_Muzzie Unregistered B	I'd rather see a vote to split anything south of Watford than Scotland. Most of the country is ignored when you move northwards, I wonder what the same spend is per capita in London or Birmingham? There's a massive inequality across this tiny island and far too much focus on a small hub. It's the old 80/20 rule though as it is with so much of life.

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537610 11/05/2015 17:32 11/05/2015 17:32
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,731 Surrey E Emjay Forum is my life
Emjay Forum is my life E Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,731 Surrey	I value integrity in politicians, whether or not I share all their views. One of the few things that I thought was laudable in the last few days was Farage, having said he would resign if he lost, being a man of his word and resigning. I expected an attempt to weasel out of it. When he didn't, it earned my respect... It now appears he has found his inner weasel and been 'persuaded' to withdraw his resignation. Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537612 11/05/2015 18:09 11/05/2015 18:09
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty J Jim_Clennell Forum veteran
Jim_Clennell Forum veteran J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty	It's surprising UKIP members couldn't find anyone else capable of leading it. I mean there's... Ah, I see.

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537615 11/05/2015 18:25 11/05/2015 18:25
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly O oxfordSteve Forum is my job
oxfordSteve Forum is my job O Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly	The one grain of optimism I saw from the election result was not having to see that turd Farage gurning at me on every news bulletin and newspaper. And no even that has gone.....

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537617 11/05/2015 18:29 11/05/2015 18:29
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FreakinFreak Unregistered F	Its Easter for the kippers

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: Emjay] #1537620 11/05/2015 18:56 11/05/2015 18:56
B Big_Muzzie Unregistered
Big_Muzzie Unregistered B	Originally Posted By: Emjay integrity in politicians Hmm I don't think there's much of that in politicians, any that have it and stand by their values are certainly not let out into the real world. I guess it's difficult to be both Popular and do what you believe is right for the people.

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: Jim_Clennell] #1537622 11/05/2015 19:12 11/05/2015 19:12
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glenn1960 Unregistered G	Originally Posted By: Jim_Clennell It's surprising UKIP members couldn't find anyone else capable of leading it. I mean there's... Ah, I see. On this subject, am I so out of touch with members of parliament, because out of all the names mentioned to be the new Liebor leader, I've only heard of one of them ?? Or have they all just come out of the woodwork ?

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537625 11/05/2015 19:22 11/05/2015 19:22
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly O oxfordSteve Forum is my job
oxfordSteve Forum is my job O Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,927 The Faringdon Folly	Liebor.... Ah I see what you did there, very good. Did you come up with that yourself, or is it from something?

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537628 11/05/2015 19:59 11/05/2015 19:59
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glenn1960 Unregistered G	A term of endearment !Used after Blair decided there were weapons of mass destruction I wonder which country has the most popular Government /ruling body in the world ? Obviously its not ours or Greece !

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537629 11/05/2015 20:00 11/05/2015 20:00
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty J Jim_Clennell Forum veteran
Jim_Clennell Forum veteran J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,603 Corridor of Uncertainty	Steve, where have you been? My sides have been positively splitting with the repeated use of that particular hilarious (and frankly tenuous) moniker...

Re: That was a long old night..... [Re: bezzer] #1537630 11/05/2015 20:04 11/05/2015 20:04
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FreakinFreak Unregistered F	I'd always thought that was a typo, or a comment by someone with not the greatest grasp of english. I didn't realise it was pithy political comment. Thanks Glenn!

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