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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: ali_hire]
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08/06/2017 21:39
08/06/2017 21:39
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Jesus! Exit poll puts Tories short of a majority. Not unexpected. I could see, in spite of their protestations, SNP and Labour forming a government...
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: Edinburgh]
#1602388
08/06/2017 21:44
08/06/2017 21:44
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MeanRedSpider
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Jesus! Exit poll puts Tories short of a majority. Not unexpected. I could see, in spite of their protestations, SNP and Labour forming a government... If the numbers are right, they'd have less seats than the Tories
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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08/06/2017 21:49
08/06/2017 21:49
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Jesus! Exit poll puts Tories short of a majority. Not unexpected. I could see, in spite of their protestations, SNP and Labour forming a government... If the numbers are right, they'd have less seats than the Tories Yes you're right, I'd only half-glanced at the screen and seen the larger two parties
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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08/06/2017 21:51
08/06/2017 21:51
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FreakinFreak
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If those exit polls are anywhere near accurate - and it does seem superstrange - May is totally toast. Love to be in CCHQ right now, how long will it be before a new Downfall meme.
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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08/06/2017 22:01
08/06/2017 22:01
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FreakinFreak
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Maybe but still Smith Square is a dangerous place to be right now - all those donors have paid good money to see their wishes validated.
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: ali_hire]
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09/06/2017 07:22
09/06/2017 07:22
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Jonny
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I'm sorry but that's just not true.
Do you consider yourself a failure or an absolute *****?
Edited to add;
I get the sentiment, that you sometimes need to have a bit of a killer instinct when negotiating in the business world, but even if Corbyn lacks that, he wouldn't be sitting in a room on his own with 27 other diplomats working out these deals.
I'm pretty sure Keri Stamer (QC) will have faced some tough opposition in his time. Ali- Yes you're right, but I'd still be a lot happier with the ***** fighting for it. Either way, once again we're showing we're a very divided nation that just isn't working
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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09/06/2017 12:03
09/06/2017 12:03
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Glad to see Ms Krankie didn't get Scoxit 2 mandate but took a kicking instead. A tad childish words, but a second referendum wasn't really on the cards. I certainly don't agree with all that SNP have to offer, but I'm really surprised that more Tories have made it in Scotland after what they've done.
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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09/06/2017 13:12
09/06/2017 13:12
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FreakinFreak
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Tories accuse Corbyn of being a terrorist sympathiser, but see nothing of forming a government with the defacto political wing of the UVF.
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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09/06/2017 13:26
09/06/2017 13:26
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Posts: 869 Germany
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For the Doctor Who fans: everytime I see a current front-line Tory politician, the Slitheens in their skin suits comes to mind ...
1997 20V 2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR 2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD 2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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09/06/2017 14:02
09/06/2017 14:02
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Maybe childish but then I find her patronising beyond belief and she was absolutely angling for a second referendum and yet more uncertainty so I'm glad the electorate have put her back in her box. It's a mark of how badly she misjudged the mood that the Tories did well. As a white settler, a part time one at that you don't really understand how & I know it might sound soft to some, Scotland has been dictated to by Westminster for a long time & told what to do, not an English thing mind, a political thing. We tend to be over passionate about our country. SNP is the only thing we have for our voice in Westminster, rightly or wrongly. I'm afraid Scotland's time passed decades ago, Thatcher & the Tories put paid to that. Sure we have our nutters here who live in the past & spout tartan & history, but Scotland like England is fragmented & divided at the moment & one size does not fit all. Bottom line for me is how sad things have become. The media spreading propaganda, the scare mongering that has gone on in the past. I could go on, but I've already broken the rule I would steer clear of these discussions.
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: jimboy]
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09/06/2017 14:08
09/06/2017 14:08
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Posts: 2,388 Caston, Norfolk
Blueboyracer
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The media spreading propaganda Impossible to miss their tactics I am afraid
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: Blueboyracer]
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09/06/2017 14:19
09/06/2017 14:19
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jimboy
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The media spreading propaganda Impossible to miss their tactics I am afraid Obviously, but the seed was planted for some never the less.
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: jimboy]
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09/06/2017 15:47
09/06/2017 15:47
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MeanRedSpider
Je suis un Coupé
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Maybe childish but then I find her patronising beyond belief and she was absolutely angling for a second referendum and yet more uncertainty so I'm glad the electorate have put her back in her box. It's a mark of how badly she misjudged the mood that the Tories did well. As a white settler, a part time one at that you don't really understand how & I know it might sound soft to some, Scotland has been dictated to by Westminster for a long time & told what to do, not an English thing mind, a political thing. We tend to be over passionate about our country. SNP is the only thing we have for our voice in Westminster, rightly or wrongly. I'm afraid Scotland's time passed decades ago, Thatcher & the Tories put paid to that. Sure we have our nutters here who live in the past & spout tartan & history, but Scotland like England is fragmented & divided at the moment & one size does not fit all. Bottom line for me is how sad things have become. The media spreading propaganda, the scare mongering that has gone on in the past. I could go on, but I've already broken the rule I would steer clear of these discussions. I think you do me an injustice by saying I don't understand - I've been there for 13 years (1/4 of my life) and I've been exposed to a very wide range of opinions (in and from many parts of Scotland - including a year in an NHS hospital in Glasgow). And sometimes it takes an outsider to fully appreciate the views in a more objective manner than someone who has just grown up surrounded by it. What I do experience is what a mess Sturgeon and Co have made of education n the short time they've been in charge. My wife lives it every day and, again, has a far wider range of experience than many of the local teachers. And, whilst the SNP have been messing it up, they've been messing up my son's and many others' life chances. Remember, I've had kids in Scottish schools for 13 years. My wife has also been invited to speak to the Scottish government about education. I've also spent quite some time debating independence issues directly with an SNP MSP. So I might be a "part-time white settler" but I prefer not to be patronised by anybody.
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
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09/06/2017 16:26
09/06/2017 16:26
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jimboy
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Maybe childish but then I find her patronising beyond belief and she was absolutely angling for a second referendum and yet more uncertainty so I'm glad the electorate have put her back in her box. It's a mark of how badly she misjudged the mood that the Tories did well. As a white settler, a part time one at that you don't really understand how & I know it might sound soft to some, Scotland has been dictated to by Westminster for a long time & told what to do, not an English thing mind, a political thing. We tend to be over passionate about our country. SNP is the only thing we have for our voice in Westminster, rightly or wrongly. I'm afraid Scotland's time passed decades ago, Thatcher & the Tories put paid to that. Sure we have our nutters here who live in the past & spout tartan & history, but Scotland like England is fragmented & divided at the moment & one size does not fit all. Bottom line for me is how sad things have become. The media spreading propaganda, the scare mongering that has gone on in the past. I could go on, but I've already broken the rule I would steer clear of these discussions. I think you do me an injustice by saying I don't understand - I've been there for 13 years (1/4 of my life) and I've been exposed to a very wide range of opinions (in and from many parts of Scotland - including a year in an NHS hospital in Glasgow). And sometimes it takes an outsider to fully appreciate the views in a more objective manner than someone who has just grown up surrounded by it. What I do experience is what a mess Sturgeon and Co have made of education n the short time they've been in charge. My wife lives it every day and, again, has a far wider range of experience than many of the local teachers. And, whilst the SNP have been messing it up, they've been messing up my son's and many others' life chances. Remember, I've had kids in Scottish schools for 13 years. My wife has also been invited to speak to the Scottish government about education. I've also spent quite some time debating independence issues directly with an SNP MSP. So I might be a "part-time white settler" but I prefer not to be patronised by anybody. Aye passions high & all that. I make no apologies for my comments, as I've said we Scots tend to be more passionate about our country. Certainly no patronising from my view point. I don't really have to explain anything about my family & how my wife has written a white paper about the Scottish care system, but points don't make prizes. In all fairness I usually just keep an eye on these types of discussions. I felt your choice of at best patronising made up words did not fit well with me. Next to my family & what we have to do & you can well understand this in your circumstances, Scotland has a place in my heart. There you have it. Politically what's going to happen to the UK who knows.
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
#1602440
09/06/2017 17:40
09/06/2017 17:40
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Posts: 1,308 Kent, South East
Cooperman
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About 6am after watching the news all I could see in my mind was an old Spike Milligan Q8 sketch but with the Teresa May & her team shuffling off stage muttering; What are we going to do now? What are we going to do now?
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
#1602446
09/06/2017 18:09
09/06/2017 18:09
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Posts: 9,729 Zele, Belgium
Kayjey
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I've been listening to BBC World Service a bit today and a couple of things stay in my head. 1/ "The guys in Brussels didn't see this one coming. They've been commenting for weeks and they really think they know UK politics. Well we sure proved they were wrong" Well they were just following your initial forecasts a couple of weeks ago and saying the same thing. And surely half the UK (politicians) have just proven that they sure as hell don't know anything about politics / the people themselves. 2/ Labour MP "Well it's really thanks to Theresa May. People have grown to dislike her as a person and this vote has mainly been about specific people rather than parties." Well sure, so what you're saying is if it weren't for May it'd have been about the programme and judging from your comment you would then have expected to lose? Great. You really believe in your party... 3/ All kinds of politicians and media trying to explain what happened. Well it's simples isn't it. Lots of stuff happened, lots of emotions flew around the past weeks so it's reason and emotion, fear and hope,... which made it messy times to be in and surely it affected the elections. It was unpredictable, and if something is unpredictable it's often that people vote for extremes and will just about cancel each other out. But in terms of politics, that means the opposite of balance as you now have a big fight on your hands. Or hey, maybe those 2 big parties should realise that really they have a big, crucial part of their agenda in common. Wouldn't it be a great example for Europe if they actually went through Brexit together, and make the best of it? I know, they're opposites, but so are the people that voted for them. 4/ Theresa May saying immediately that she has no intention to go away. Take that to the negotiating tables. You've got about 50% of the people against you. Good start. Why not have open conversations? 5/ All the talk about Brexit and the shifting votes. Been listening for hours of talks about this. Again, it's really simple. There's Brexit, yes? So what people do not want is stay in a big unstable mess. They want to move forward. So YES surely even the ones that voted against Brexit will mostly say 'well now that vote is over, will you just get on with it', and then they'll think about 'hard Brexit will be faster and clearer to everyone, then we can get to a stable situation faster and we can start growing again' or 'I think a soft Brexit with full negotiations offer us a better starting position for future dealings with Europe'. So again, it's 50-50 really and you end up in the place you're in. It's not about 'shifting', it's about 'thinking about the future'. 6/ 'The youth' Well if you're a smart politician and you're in it for the long term, you should have thought about them a bit earlier. You don't just run the risk that they start voting all of a sudden, it's also the fact that in a good 4-8-12 years time the oldies will have passed away and those youngsters are ALL your voters. Clearly, the path is clear now. If May is going to stick to her rusty guns (even if they might be the right ones at this time) we're in a changing situation, 'the youth' heard about how they actually almost swung politics around and they'll yell even harder next time. Really, a 'vote' is not about politics. It's about the people. The unfortunate bit is the people then are out again and the politicians will start their dealings, trying to find creative solutions to what they actually want. And ignore the people. But really - Belgium is 10 times worse. So hey, cheer up.
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Re: An informal election thread
[Re: barnacle]
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09/06/2017 18:25
09/06/2017 18:25
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jimboy
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My, but we live in interesting times! Aye Neil we certainly do. I make no claims of being an academic or even something close, I say this in terms of the modern world that we live in, knowledge is a good thing, but there are times when I just wonder, but there are times when the achilles heel is cut leaves a trace of blood.
I'm an old git & happy with it,most of the time
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