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Help me choose!
#1614360
11/01/2018 19:20
11/01/2018 19:20
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Dan
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I have two options:
Alfa Giulia veloce, (276 bhp), metallic paint, 19" rims, yellow calipers, tints, 8spd zf auto.
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Golf R, (310bhp), base spec, cloth, manual.
Both leased for 2 years, similar cost.
Can't decide!
Thanks
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Dan]
#1614369
11/01/2018 20:57
11/01/2018 20:57
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Brilly1uk
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Let's see more Guila's in the UK! I am in the process of considering a Golf GTI v a Guila, but I have come across some pretty good deals on a GTI which the Guila cannot seem to get near?
3 years, 10kpa and £260pm inc VAT?
Fiat Coupe 20VT Alfa Romeo Spider BMW X3
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Gunzi]
#1614385
12/01/2018 10:23
12/01/2018 10:23
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Trappy
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When our 500X PCP is up I'll be hopping on the lease wagon for a Guilia. The extra power of the Golf would be nice but in the real world they'd be pretty damn close I reckon and the Alfa looks a hell of a lot better.
I wouldn't be so sure on the performance thing according to this dataset from Car and Driver... 1,650kgs ![shocked shocked](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif) and 280bhp don't seem to go far Even so though, that is particularly poor straight line performance - it should be a LOT quicker than that given the specs.
Last edited by Trappy; 12/01/2018 10:26.
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Gunzi]
#1614392
12/01/2018 13:54
12/01/2018 13:54
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Trappy
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Funnily enough the Giulia has very closer power to weight as a standard Fiat Coupe 20VT at 169 bhp per tonne and a very similar 1/4 mile time 14.2 Alfa vs 14.5 Coupe.
I assume at 4WD the golf is fairly heavy albeit lighter than 1650(!) and would transmission losses factor in once rolling?
Is there a Car and Driver for the Golf R Trappy?
It is of course each to their own, personally I think the Giulia looks fabulous and I'm sold for lugging the family about with decent power to pootle about with. I've got a few mates with Golf R's and they love them, so fast off the line and loads of grip. Golf R Hatch 2016 (manual) Golf R Hatch 2016 (DSG) Golf R Hatch 2016 (Manual) This car has different tyres and more miles on he clock (3,000 vs 900 for the first manual). From what I can see, the Golf R ranges from just under 1500kgs in the hatch with a manual gearbox up to 1600kgs in the estate with DSG.
Last edited by Trappy; 12/01/2018 14:10. Reason: gibberish
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Dan]
#1614395
12/01/2018 14:42
12/01/2018 14:42
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Gripped
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As the Giulia is reckoned (arguably) to be the best Alfa for 30 odd years, then it's a no brainer. The Golf is hugely capable, but come on, it's a Golf. If only they did a warm V6 version too i.e. a ~300bhp version of the 2.9, then that would be perfect (just for the noise). However, the 2 litre turbo should fit the bill. Mrs G has one pencilled in to replace the Giulietta. ![driving driving](/forum/images/graemlins/default/driving.gif)
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Dan]
#1614398
12/01/2018 16:18
12/01/2018 16:18
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,390 Essex
Trappy
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I have two options:
Alfa Giulia veloce, (276 bhp), metallic paint, 19" rims, yellow calipers, tints, 8spd zf auto.
Or
Golf R, (310bhp), base spec, cloth, manual.
Both leased for 2 years, similar cost.
Can't decide!
Thanks
What sort of deals are you looking at for both? Golf estates (all have DSG) are on a deal at the moment so might be worth a look. There's a limited supply of them coming in in March April apparently and they're much cheaper than the hatch. I've just ordered the Golf. For me the Giulia Quadrifoglio is just about the best car in the world right now. The lesser models though, are pretty average compared to rivals and don't look half as sharp.
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Dan]
#1614463
14/01/2018 13:25
14/01/2018 13:25
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paul
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I was invited to the Giulia Quadrifoglio launch,I was really interested in the car ..................everything was a shambles ,uninterested `Alfa Specialist Advisors` and no idea how to respond to customer requests and down right clueless when trying to organise test drives !!! and of the car itself ,lovely looking outside,fit and finnish inside ,is still beaten by any Jap mobile,never mind the likes of Audi, VW or BMW I LOVE Alfa`s I`m currently still searching for the `right` GTV V6 just now,BUT I wouldn`t touch a new one and have to go near a dealership EVER... My money leased or bought would go on the Golf R with DSG and i`m not normally a auto lover,my son had a DSG GTI and it was totally faultless in 2 years of `hard ownership` and brilliant to drive...select car leasing was doing Golf R estates for £199 pm i didn`t need one ,but i was sooooo tempted after i drove one .............. of course all above only my opinion ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
was Paul S,now just paul...Member since Oct 2000,Coupe may be FATALLY injured - :(oh no it's not
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Dan]
#1614481
14/01/2018 18:21
14/01/2018 18:21
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Posts: 17,369 Staffordshire
Nigel
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We all know about Alfa's failings. Hopeless dealers, questionable reliability, flaky residual values etc.
However, picture being asked what car you drive. Now picture yourself stating the answer....
1) A Volkswagen Golf, but its a fast one.... 2) An Alfa Romeo - its red....
If you were an HR department agency looking for a new actuary, Golf Man will score.
If you're looking for someone with a bit of passion / style (but probably no money), Alfa Man is the one
Alfa for me, every time, but the Golf is probably a better car in absolutely every respect apart from looks
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Gunzi]
#1614539
16/01/2018 08:54
16/01/2018 08:54
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,390 Essex
Trappy
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That's a surprising difference between manual and DSG for quarter mile half a second is, what a length or two?
Would be interested to see what you decide Dan. I've just run those data sets through the calculator. It looks lik that 13.7 is a typo, it should be 13.6s @ 102.7mph. When the DSG crosses the 1/4mile it would be 18.8metres in front. That's four car lengths. If I put the data set for the second manual into the calculator, it says 5.4 metres, just over a length. However that second manual was a tenth quicker to 30mph so it gets the jump on the DSG. I think it might be the different tyes on the car.
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Nigel]
#1614540
16/01/2018 08:58
16/01/2018 08:58
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Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,390 Essex
Trappy
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We all know about Alfa's failings. Hopeless dealers, questionable reliability, flaky residual values etc.
However, picture being asked what car you drive. Now picture yourself stating the answer....
1) A Volkswagen Golf, but its a fast one.... 2) An Alfa Romeo - its red....
If you were an HR department agency looking for a new actuary, Golf Man will score.
If you're looking for someone with a bit of passion / style (but probably no money), Alfa Man is the one
Alfa for me, every time, but the Golf is probably a better car in absolutely every respect apart from looks If anyone asks me what I drive, I will just say Golf estate. Sensible, practical and reliable (hopefully). I'll still have the coop if pressed ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: Dan]
#1614603
17/01/2018 12:40
17/01/2018 12:40
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Posts: 1,576 Glasgow,Near Florence..If only...
paul
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He Nigel ,it doesn't bother me what people think about the car I drive .... I have a real passion for cars,I love my coupe ,my Ferrari,my classic 500,and I will love 'my' Alfa GTV V6 when I find the right one ![rolleyes rolleyes](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif) BUT as my daily driver the Golf r would win every time..... but then maybe my age is making me tooo sensible ![laugh laugh](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
was Paul S,now just paul...Member since Oct 2000,Coupe may be FATALLY injured - :(oh no it's not
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: MeanRedSpider]
#1615836
12/02/2018 09:47
12/02/2018 09:47
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wink
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The reason I’ve generally opted for the 3-pointed star in my choice of day-to-day cars is that Alfa started making bland cars like the MiTo that were hateful to drive and badly build with it. Bit harsh IMO. I had a MiTo and liked it - the MultiAir engine was great, it looked lovely inside and out and I certainly wouldn't say it was hateful to drive. A Fiesta handles better but that doesn't compensate for its dullness compared with the Alfa. As for a Golf - well, long ago I traded in a Golf GTi for an Alfa 33, so I'm not really typical. Never seen a salesman look so happy.
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Re: Help me choose!
[Re: wink]
#1615890
13/02/2018 07:08
13/02/2018 07:08
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Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,852 Cambridge & Cotswolds
MeanRedSpider
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The reason I’ve generally opted for the 3-pointed star in my choice of day-to-day cars is that Alfa started making bland cars like the MiTo that were hateful to drive and badly build with it. Bit harsh IMO. I had a MiTo and liked it - the MultiAir engine was great, it looked lovely inside and out and I certainly wouldn't say it was hateful to drive. A Fiesta handles better but that doesn't compensate for its dullness compared with the Alfa. As for a Golf - well, long ago I traded in a Golf GTi for an Alfa 33, so I'm not really typical. Never seen a salesman look so happy. Until I got the MiTo, I was an Alfisti through and through - having had 13 or so Alfas (including 3x 33s). But the MiTo was badly built (bits fell off or didn’t work and the dash set up is a joke - I defy anybody to leave the side lights on without the manual), it drank fuel, if you set it to Sport, the steering was heavy but still lifeless, the A-pillar was way too wide for proper visibility etc. Yes, it was pretty (silver with red leather and carbon effect dash) but it cured me of virus Alfa (after over 25 years). Given the choice of the 155bhp MiTo or the 69bhp Fiat 500 Lounge on the drive, I’d take the Fiat - it was a far more rewarding experience. And, once the bubble is burst, it’s hard to get it back. I test drove the 4C and came back thoroughly underwhelmed. Despite being a really capable car, the new Giulia QV doesn’t even do it for me.
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