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Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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21/03/2022 15:32
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Have seen a lot of Good reports on the Bilstein B6 to improve the crashy ride, but unfortunately they are no longer available (for the front), unless someone knows a second hand source? Any other ones which are recommended to improve the ride quality, that are still available thanks?
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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For what it’s worth, I had them on my Coop years ago and found them very hard and crashy. One gave up the ghost after only 4000 miles or so, still have the other shock in my garage.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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22/03/2022 09:50
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Depending on what you want from the car, it might be worth just getting new standard shocks for the car. I seem to remember Bockers doing this and he said the difference between his old standard shocks and new shocks were vastly different.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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Hi Joe,
I've got them on 37 psi at front. And 32psi at the rear. Found having them higher on the front made the crashiness even worse.
The Newer Toyo's tyre design was fitted last year to the fronts and that improved the crashiness a bit- the rears are on older design Toyo tyres that I have considered swopping out- but as the rear feels ok - and the tyres have like new tread on them- I always bulk at getting rid of them for the sake of it.
Wink - interesting - mine is the Crash of any ripple or bump. I'm maybe becoming jolt intolerant - but it feels to me the CRASH is at the start. Suspension feels quite flowing on smooth tarmac. And not felt any crashiness on rebound.
Nigel - Thanks - was trying to keep coupe standard - or standard "plus" as I call it (fitted recaro's and the front engine bay sparco strut) I'll have a search for them - I'm up for trying to find an off the peg solution - if it saves a year of driving fun!
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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23/03/2022 19:28
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The car has only done 53K so would be surprised if the shocks are worn much. Perhaps I'm too used to my Mazda 3 sport now, which has an amazingly smooth ride in comparison. Having said that you only notice the problem on poor roads with roughness over a certain severity.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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24/03/2022 10:29
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Hi Joe,
I've got them on 37 psi at front. And 32psi at the rear. Found having them higher on the front made the crashiness even worse. 37 psi is too high, that's 2.55 bar, drop it to 34 and see how that feels.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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What pressures do you recommend for front and rear then? I think the fronts are 2.7 bar as per the manual, which seems quite high... I always find 2.7 too high for UK roads, I run mine at 2.4 front and 2.2 rear, it takes the edge off without upsetting the handling.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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I commented about rebound crashiness because on my Coupe it feels as though the worst thump comes when going over recessed expansion joints when I assume the wheel is moving down into the rut. Re. mileage - I've been assured by more than one mechanic that anything over 30k miles and dampers are likely worn out. Maybe we're just noticing the 30 year-old suspension design? Our daily drive is an Alfa Giulietta with 18" wheels and 40 profile tyres - when we got it I assumed the ride would be horrid but although it's firmer than the Coupe it's also much more compliant and better controilled. The Coupe rolls and wallows in comparison. I have never had dampers wear out noticeably on any car I have owned and they have all done from 80K to 130K. I suppose pure age might be an issue but trusting what a mechanic says is a bit like trusting your ex to manage your finances
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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29/03/2022 15:16
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A full set of NOS Bilstein B6s have popped up on ebay for anyone looking for them.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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I've just replaced my Monroe shockers with OSRAV adjustables all round. Thanks to Nigel and everyone else who recommended them. It was immediately apparent that they are much better. The ride feels more controlled and the crashiness and bouncing is gone. It now feels like there is some proper damping. Torque steer and dive under braking are also much improved. I'm really pleased with them. For any others who want to try the OSRAVs, they're available from Zagato Lancia in London, made to order in Italy so they took a couple of months to arrive. They come set to the middle of their range - I turned them one full turn clockwise (softer) from the default setting, which sets them to around 25% hard, and it seems pretty much spot on for my tastes. The front ones are readily adjustable on the car with an allen key in the top of the strut, but the rears have to be removed to adjust. If anyone wants my set of Monroes for free - they have done approx. 10k miles - PM me. Good to read you're sorted and enjoying the change :thunb:
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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21/09/2022 22:11
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Just ordered a full set from zagato, delivered price is £715 with a 6 to 8 week lead time, have ordered a set of Eibach springs to go with them.
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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I have the suspension stuff and yesterday I removed the original strut assembly
I’m somewhat behind my own schedule, but anything I touch I want to make right so that I don’t have to touch it again
Cheers Jamie
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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02/03/2023 16:32
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I've just replaced my Monroe shockers with OSRAV adjustables all round. Thanks to Nigel and everyone else who recommended them. It was immediately apparent that they are much better. The ride feels more controlled and the crashiness and bouncing is gone. It now feels like there is some proper damping. Torque steer and dive under braking are also much improved. I'm really pleased with them. For any others who want to try the OSRAVs, they're available from Zagato Lancia in London, made to order in Italy so they took a couple of months to arrive. They come set to the middle of their range - I turned them one full turn clockwise (softer) from the default setting, which sets them to around 25% hard, and it seems pretty much spot on for my tastes. The front ones are readily adjustable on the car with an allen key in the top of the strut, but the rears have to be removed to adjust. If anyone wants my set of Monroes for free - they have done approx. 10k miles - PM me. Sounds encouraging. Are they alot better than the standard shocks then (assuming these are in decent condition). Since my bushes have been replaced the ride is now alot better. Just wondering if the Osrav adjustables would offer a noticeable improvement. Car has done 55K only and ride not too bad.
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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02/03/2023 16:47
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I should in the next week have wheels back on the ground, so I can give feedback
I would hope that given the price, they perform better than a Monroe offering
Cheers Jamie
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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03/04/2023 14:53
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Having driven for a couple of hours now, I can say that the OSRAV shocks simply make the ride compliant. No crashiness, no wallowing. coupled with the other tings I've done (uprated rear arb and eibach springs), it really has transformed the ride of the car
Cheers Jamie
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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04/04/2023 11:52
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Interesting to see if the OSRAV's offer any real advantage with otherwise standard setup.
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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The short answer will be yes
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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Hi Joe, yes
The twanging was the 15mm headed bolts that secure the end of the rear ARB.
Initially I nipped 1 side up, but when I tried the other side the bolt snapped!!!
Luckily (or unluckily) it must have been fatigued as when I got pliers on the stud , it wound out with little effort, so whilst it's annoying it was better to happen now rather than fail at high speed on a track
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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I've ordered a set of OSRAV's and will update once installed.
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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Osravs have finally arrived after around 10 weeks (they have a go slow over summer). Any advice for settings of the Osrav shocks to remove crashiness but maintain a compliant ride. I think Wink said 1 full turn from softest setting on front, but what about rears and any advice from others thanks?
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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I think I've set my rears as 1 full from soft to hard, and given the time on track I don't get bouncing or crashiness at the rear.
For the fronts I use about 3/4 of a turn from soft to hard for street driving, but then set it around 2 and a half to 3 full turns for the track
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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24/10/2023 22:24
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I am using a 45 profile tyre as well, so it’s quite a firm ride.(zestinos)
I found by setting the rear a little softer and then just tweaking the fronts for track use has made the car very stable and predictable
I also have the camber set at minus 1.5 degrees
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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Well I've finally had the Osravs installed and set the ride midway between mid and soft (25% from softest) and happy with the ride. The loud crashiness had gone over major road defects, and the ride is still quite firm enough for good handling. I wouldn't say the difference is massive but the ability to adjust the settings is of course a bonus.
KJW
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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Re: Replacement Shocks for smoother ride
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Update: I actually prefer the Osrav's set on the softest setting now (front). Have not been able to change the rear as it involves removing, but the ride is certainly better overall. Still firm but very noticeably better over major road imperfections now. They are definitely not "too soft". I think I would find a stiffer setup than standard practically unbearable for local roads, as I find the standard setup way too hard for the roads around MK. Generally I like firm suspension but not "crashily firm".
KevinW Milton Keynes UK
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