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R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion #1661137
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661140
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661178
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Sounds good. Be interested to hear how you get on with the brakes. For me the brakes are the one weak point on the car I don't like, other things are forgivable. Like you the previous owner of mine looked after them and upgraded pads and disks however compared to more modern vehicles they are still lacking when 'pressing on'.

Personally I find Brembo brakes to be overrated, perhaps they have improved but I had them on Ducati bikes back in the early 90's and they all benefited from a master cylinder upgrade (pity we cannot do that on the Coupe) before they had true bite. Conversely my Qwaker with Nissins could lift the rear wheel with just 2 fingers on the lever.


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661181
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I agree, my description of the stock brakes is that the feel is wooden and also feels almost non servo assisted.
Coupled with not much threshold before they cook themselves with a bit of spirited driving

Anyway I'll post my progress and views once I've done the work

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661199
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When I got mine, stock brakes were wooden, check braking in motorway traffic was non-existent. Completely solved with decent pads. Currently using Brembo discs & pads and they're good, plenty of stopping power. The pedal still needs a bit more pressure than most modern cars, but I prefer it that way.

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: wink] #1661203
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661282
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New springs arrived today, but waiting for the ARB and the OSRAV shocks before I set to work

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661286
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I'll be interested to know how you find the Eibach springs. Mine is on supposedly standard spec springs. I don't feel the need for harder suspension, but it does look a bit too tall imo.

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661287
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As I plan some track usage I wanted something a bit lower than OE for ride height, as I find the nose dips when you brake heavy, which in turn unsettles the car.

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661372
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(Jamie, I've moved the latest post to the project itself, the project thread is king smile )


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661373
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Ah, my bad

Thanks Jamie


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1661523
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Hi all, Iím almost ready to treat some of the underside of the car where thereís some surface rust

Whatís peoples view on the Ďbestí product to use to treat the rust, Iíve seen reviews for the Jenolite spray that looks decent.

Importantly I want to get it right and not have to repeat the exercise , so Iím awaiting your advice

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662015
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Good progress smile

A word of warning when removing the fuel tank, the plastic connectors on top of the swirl pot become brittle with age so take great care when disconnecting


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662022
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Good shout ill take extra care

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1662032
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In the past Iíve used a hair dryer in cold weather when attempting jobs with plastic.


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662033
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662340
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Re the sump bolt Jamie, the technique we used on iour project car - which hadn't turned a wheel in at least 13 years - was a 600mm pipe over the socket driver using very slow rocking leverage.

Naturally we had soaked it in penetrant for days and yes it was a two-person job with one under the car holding the socket in place.


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662341
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I have extended breaker bars but it was mega tight

Iíve just messaged Graham and had a bit of fun with him about his strongman credentials 😉


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662513
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When it comes to the rear trailing arms, you might want to think about replacing with new (bearing included) to avoid the hassle of a refurb that still might end up with the arms looking like a scabby mess. Around £120 each from AutoDoc (I bought 2 pairs at less than that each, but quite a while ago)


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662528
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Hi Dave, good shout

My visual appraisal at present is they will clean up quite nicely, but if in reality they are scabby then I'll buy new, albeit I have bought the new bearings from Joe already

In other news today, turbo is being rebuilt as the piston ring and shaft is worn. From what the turbo guy told me it looks like when Owen developments did the job originally they machined the housing out to try and deal with shaft wear. Anyway its getting built with a new 360 bearing and staggered seal to stop the oil seeping through

Also on checking the manifold more closely (as per my pics yesterday), the mating face was quite badly warped and is probably why it's cracked again

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662547
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Santa has bought me a couple of sets of H1 leds for the coupe


Also a nice private plate

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662675
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Looking forward to seeing the cleaning results from your homemade tank. Looks interesting. Maybe a project that I will look into at a later date.


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662678
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Iíll post pics tomorrow to show how it looks

The tank is easy to make, there are loads of videos on YouTube to show you how to do it


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1662681
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That looks like the radiator bracket... I did exactly the same with mine. Used a wheelie bin on it's side with the solution and electrodes.
Worked well.

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Gripped] #1662682
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662689
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One thing Iíve found with the electrolysis tank is you need to really clean the points where your copper wire touches the parts youíre trying to derust. Otherwise you donít get all the rust removed.


So this morning Iíve done some additional cleaning and put the bits back into the tank to carry on the clean up

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1662756
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Did you use an off the shelf 'kit' for the electrolysis? The results look impressive!

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1662757
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no I just made one after looking on youtube for the basics of how to set it up

cost me about £10 in total


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1662781
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Originally Posted by Jamiepm
no I just made one after looking on youtube for the basics of how to set it up

cost me about £10 in total


I might take a look at this as I've spent most of this week scrubbing rust off my horn (oo-er) and bonnet release mechanism and leaving them in white vinegar overnight. Absolutely mind numbing stuff but it's 95% there now.

Would it destroy plastic / softer metals?


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662785
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Definitely no issue with plastic, the only metal to avoid as far as I know is stainless steel due to the gases it gives off

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662786
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Originally Posted by Jamiepm
Definitely no issue with plastic, the only metal to avoid as far as I know is stainless steel due to the gases it gives off

Cheers Jamie

I just looked up the guides on YouTube. I had no idea it was this easy. I have all if that currently set up, minus the battery charger, and that is 5 feet from it in the cupboard. I'll have a go tomorrow.

I assumed it was some kind of acid bath that would destroy some materials.

Incidentally, a video on 'bluing' popped up shortly afterwards. This looks interesting for a method of finishing / protecting metal after this kind of thing. I'd never heard of that.


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662791
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Let us know how you get on

Anyway a question for allÖ.

As the car has black wheels, when I refurbish the brake calipers, I plan to paint them yellow. This then got me thinking about 2 other things to paint.

As I have the sparco strut brace which are red, I thought it would be a good idea to paint it in the same yellow paint

Likewise for the rocker cover I also thought to do the lettering in the same yellow and then paint the rest of the cover in black

What do people think?

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1662792
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If the rocker cover will be black, paint the strut brace black.

Keep the calipers black with yellow brembo decals if you want.

Yellow will degrade visually more obviously and be more difficult to keep clean.


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No, I think this yellow/black thing is overdone, too common tongue laugh wink


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Originally Posted by DaveG
No, I think this yellow/black thing is overdone, too common tongue laugh wink


Don't take any notice Jamie, Dave is totally biased/jealous laugh


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Firstly Simon/Dave thanks for your replies wink

I will do yellow calipers rather than any other colour. I did initially think to do them red, but for me with black wheels and the body colour I wasnít feeling it

But the rocker cover and strut brace Iím somewhat torn what to do or not confused

What I donít want to do is make the car chavvy, so I may try photoshop to see what various options look like

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Well of course you can do what you like, it's your car, who cares what other people think?! Keep going, it's interesting to read about how it is going...


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1662797
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Originally Posted by Jamiepm

Likewise for the rocker cover I also thought to do the lettering in the same yellow and then paint the rest of the cover in black

What do people think?



Paint the surround of the word 'FIAT' yellow leaving the letters black and then paint the 20v Turbo characters in yellow thumb


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Hi dave,
Appreciate your comments , I do have another question


I'd put a lot more photos on but the ipad photos are generally above the 2mb threshold. Can you help?

Cheers Jamie


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Ive got the derusting bug, the minute I take a bolt or part off, in the electrolysis bath it goes

I had quite some fun trying to undo the nuts which hold the horns and brackets on

Basically had to hammer a 3/8 socket on and despite using pb blaster they snapped off, so Iíll see if I can weld a new threaded stud to keep it looking factory before I reprint the assembly

Front wheel arch is stripped, only a few bits of surface rust, so better than I expected after removing the wheel arch liner


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For the very rusted nuts to stop them snapping the bolt/stud get an induction heater, in under a minute the nuts will be off absolutely no problem and totally re-useable. Just give them a few mins to cool before handling.

I think I posted a link to this before but I have this one:
https://www.woyosmart.com/products/...y-screw-removing-bearing-installing-tool

If there's one tool I wish I'd had 20 years ago it's this, even more so than an impact wrench. The hours and hours I've spent trying to remove very corroded bolts and snapped bolts etc. over the years, this is truly a game changer for working on old cars. Also useful for forming steel or bending an old spanner to any shape to access an awkward nut or whatever.

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Cheers Graham, I'll have a look

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Lucky with the front wheel arch, there's often a 50p size hole where the rearmost fixing is, halfway up the liner.


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There's a few areas where the wheel arch liner has rubbed and created surface rust

So I've cleaned them up and put rust convertor afterwards

Then I'll etch primer and depending where within the arch will either be stone chip sealant or paint and lacquer

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Re the size limit for photos, yes it's a bit restricting but have you tried resizing them?

(I only know how to do it on a Mac frown )


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Hi Simon,
I had a look in settings on the iPad but nothing jumped out at me

Hence the google drive link which I hope works

Iíve only taken a few photos at present because of this

However tomorrow Iíll be taking a load of photos as Iíve refurbed a load of stuff and Iím going to try and get the drivers side wheel arch all tarted up

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Try opening the pics I ďpreviewĒ and then go to tools. There should be a resize option.


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^^^ yep, this...


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Ah Iíll have a go later

Thanks Jamie


Just had a go, but using the default apple photos app, I canít get to a preview option, I think Iíve clicked all the buttons I could see

Any chance of an idiots guide?

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Not sure on the iPad as I use a MacBook.
On the Mac its right click on any photo then there are a list of options. One option is "Edit with". When you go to this you get the option to then click preview. Hope that works for you on the iPad.


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Jamie, a quick Google search "reduce photo file size on iPad" comes up with a few options, rather too many to reproduce here, but perhaps one of them will work for you...


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That link works great for me thumb


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Cheers Simon, ive just packed my tools away for the day, so Iíll have a nosey later on 😉


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Found an app, so Iíll give it a try


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Where are the photos? smile

Btw, changing rear subframe bushes really improves the ride feel.

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bv_IyVF6GCa8Iy3VzYooOsIdeRZLHG4R?usp=sharing

Here you go

Yes the old larger bushes were knackered, the trailing arm bearings looked ok, but Iíve changed them to save do the job again

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Jamie, I must be doing something wrong as I only ever see the same 11 photos - pity after all the restoration hours you've put in!


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Hi Simon , thanks for the heads up

Iíll have a look later and see if itís something Iíve done !

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Iím moving files as we speak, so hopefully people can see all of the photos

A few photos of the primed caliper

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Can you post a pic showing how the brackets are oversize.

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HI Joe,
As per our chat the Ultra racing bar comes with loose brackets that should simply clamp around the bar. Whereas what is supplied are brackets with a far larger diameter meaning it would just rattle around.

So I'll make some shims up to remove the slack , so nothing disastrous, but not what you expect when you buy a complete kit

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Totally agree, for the home mechanic they'd be stuck installing this ARB so I'm sure your findings will be helpful for fold in the future thumb

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A few pictures in the google drive to show how this arb will need packers to make it fit correctly

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Hi Jamie, it's good to read about your progress, puts my efforts at a rear end refurb to shame frown

I'm curious about what paint you've used on the rear subframe. I've heard of "Chassis Black" being recommended, but there's quite a range of options, some that need primer, some that say don't use etch primer, some are satin, some are gloss. I tried spraying with an air compressor and the finish was quite rough, also it didn't stick too well (I didnít use primer) so I might have to start again.

Any recommendations from anyone?


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Hi Dave,
Iíve used hammerite smooth satin black, and honestly the finish is good. whilst I get by with my mechanical stuff I am no painter for sure

At the minute Halfords have it as bogof, so £5.50 a can

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The rear bearings can't have done more than 1000 miles so surprised they needed fresh grease already.

When replacing the rear hub nuts you should use new nuts and be sure to tighten by pushing down on the torque wrench on both sides of the car (so standing on the opposite side of the wheel arch on each side of the car) to extend the suspension to max stop as you tighten. If you do it the other way you'll be tightening against the suspension spring and won't get the correct torque. Took me a while to work that out myself when I was doing it. smile

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hi graham,
The reason for repacking them is that as I've had lots of stuff in bits, and I didn't want any cruddy rust bits in the grease. So was more precautionary than a need, and only took a few minutes each side as I knew that you'd only recently done them.

Regarding the tightening, you're right and it's a lesson I've learnt some years back wink

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Sorry guys I donít understand the torque comment. When tightening the nut we're talking about the nut turning on the axle shaft, and it doesn't matter whether the drop arm is pushing against a spring, at the bottom of its travel or held in some other position, it's the position of the nut on the shaft that determines the torque needed to move it.


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I read it and it took a moment. Normally I'll block under the axle or such to stop the movement and allow me to lean into the bar to tighten. Never really gave torque values the consideration. But I suppose what we're talking about is the resolution of force I.e which direction your effort is applied. I suppose you could have a situation whereby the drag of the nut is such that the force applied is sufficient to compress the spring but not enough to provide the rotation of the nut thereby creating an under torque of the nut

And I'm liking the build! Gives me the kick I need to sort my car out

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If you tighten the nut "upwards" then some of the force being exerted to turn the nut is lost in compressing the spring as you're not just turning the nut, you're also lifting the suspension arm and therefore compressing the spring at the same time and that takes some force as well. Therefore you'd need to apply more torque than the required number to get the nut tightened to the correct torque, Whereas if you tighten "downwards" and easily reach max travel of the suspension arm where it locks then all (or nearly all) the force is being exerted on the nut.

Then again I did fail my higher physics so maybe that's all nonsense. laugh To be fair it did feel very, very different tightening the hub nut "upwards" while also compressing the spring and tightening it "downwards" against the locked suspension arm. It took waaaaay more effort pulling upwards to get the torque wrench to click than it did pushing it downwards. So I got a new nut and re-did that side just to be sure it was OK and it definitely didn't feel like it had been on at the correct torque.

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glad this is creating some good banter,and folks are enjoying the content, so I'll keep it coming

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Well I understand the argument, I guess I'm thinking more from the point of view of an "angle" torque wrench. I guess you might reach a point where 100Nm might be the reaction from the compressed spring and 180Nm on the nut and your wrench would click, yes I can see where you're coming from. Although I got an A for Physics A level, I was never too fussed about "mechanics" on my Uni Chem Eng course, and that was all 40+ years ago. It would make an interesting exam question though!


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So as Iím getting close to the end of the restoration of C 20VT J (formerly R803 CGP), I thought Iíd create a job list of things done, and things left to do!

Jobs done

Changed dipped,main and sidelight bulbs for led units from classiccarleds.co.uk, so hopefully night driving will be less dark laugh
Bought a Bluetooth headunit
Retreated the drivers seat leather and finish
Turbo charger overhauled with new shaft, 360 thrust a gap less piston ring and refitted love
Exhaust manifold cracks repaired and face skimmed flat, then refitted
Derusted and repainted the turbo heat shield
Derusted and repainted the radiator bottom support bracket
Derusted and repainted the cooling fan housing
Fitted a new bonnet release cable and bonnet release catch :max:
Removed and resealed the washer fluid tank, and broke the pump in the process grr
Realigned the bonnet release mechanism and black framework
Stripped,repainted yellow and refitted the strut brace smile
Derusted in general anything from a nut or bolt to various brackets/metalwork around the car, then treated with rust converter and painted with hammerite satin black spray paint
Removed the entire rear axle assembly, derusted and painted satin black all metalwork , then fitted new subframe bushes (FCSS supplied), stripped the trailing arms, same paint treatment and new bearings fitted, again supplied by Joe @ FCSS
Removed all brake pipes from floor pan to rear axle and replaced with new (MCS supplied) brake lines including all flexi pipes.
Removed and cleaned up the petrol tank including the metal straps
Removed old shocks,springs, bump stops and fitted the new Osrav/Eibach kit including new bump stops love
Removed old std anti roll bar and fitted the Ultra Racing 23mm version
Repacked the rear brake compensator valve with fresh grease
Removed front and rear wheel arch liners, and degreased, and have refitted the front one
Removed and fitted a new uprated oil cooler and pipework (MCS supplied)
Removed old front anti roll bar bushes and fitted strongflex PU bushes (you have to remove the front subframe to do these bushes)
Removed and painted both rear calipers
Removed and painted the front brembo caliper
Degreased and repacked with fresh grease both the rear wheel bearing assemblies
Degreased and stripped the floorpan including front and rear wheel arches, to treat any rust spots. į(Then treated with rust converter, acid etch primer and the resprayed with black Upol stone chip. High impact areas have been double dosed to be sure it is fully protected
Cleaned up/painted both front and rear drivers side Eiffel towers
Touched up the front cross member where any spots of rust were and painted as per factory colour
Refilled coolant system with fresh antifreeze
Changed the oil and filter

Jobs still to doÖÖ..

Stonechip seal the passenger side wheel arches
Complete front and rear calipers, meaning fitting new seals all round and fit to the hubs
Change out the last 4 pieces of brake lines including flexis, then bleed with ATE200 high temperature brake fluid ,drivers side brake pipe is apparently a bugger to do because of the route needed.
Refit the battery
Refit the entire exhaust system
Strip out and fit the front Osrav/Eibach assembly including new bearings,top mount and camber bolts
Fit the cooling fans
Refit the turbo heat shield
Refit the wheels
Get the wheel arches professionally painted after the clean up
Fit the Bluetooth headunit
Do the fuel pump wiring mod
Retreat remaining leather inside the car, as per the drivers seat
Cable for drivers seat is bust, and lookís fiddly to fix grr
Resecure the fuel filter and bracketry gubbins
Refit the heat shield stuff on the underside of the car
Refit the plastic rear valance assembly
refit the front bumper
Fit the new reg plate
Fit PFC Zrated brake pads to the front brembos
Refit the original rear brembo pads
Refit the undertray


Order a cambelt guard from Joe!!

Start the car and make sure nothing is leaking!

Take it for a tootle around the block, then if all good give a tank full of super unleaded

Book the car for tracking alignment and a once over on my mates ramps

Book a track session at Donington Park

Fit my FCCUK car sticker

And breathe!!!



I would say so far Iíve put roughly 120 hours of my time to get this far, and Iíve probably got got another 50 or 60 hours left. And Iíve enjoyed everything bar 2 jobs so far

The poxy M6 bolt for the coolant rail is just a twat to get at, irrespective of tools. I found it less painful to lower the drivers side engine mount and remove the tensioner to give a better access.

The rear wheel arch liners are a bitch to remove, so Iím expecting similar pain to refit


As ever the forum has been a great resource and many folks have helped either remind me of stuff Iíd forgotten from my previous Coupť ownership or given me key bits of detail, so thanks for this.

Iíll keep the other thread updated with my jobs to do,so I hope people are enjoying either my hammering skills or my ropey videos with commentary.

As a reminder the google drive is updated with some pics and videos from this weekendís efforts

Cheers Jamie wink





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Folks ,just in case I'm doing something wrong regarding bleeding the rear brakes

Does it matter if the trailing arms are jacked up or not?

I've tried up and down and I can't get fluid to the calipers

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Yes rear arms need jacked up as if the car is down with the rear wheels on the ground. If the rear arms are just hanging then it's like the car is under massive heavy braking and all weight is transferred to front wheels so there will be zero braking transferred to the rear through the compensator.

And that assumes the compensator spring is in place correctly and the arm is moving freely onto the compensator piston.

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Hi graham,
When I had the whole rear assembly off, I had a quick look at the valve arrangement and visually looked ok

Iíve pb blasted it for today, so Iíll have another go after work tomorrow night

With the new arb you get a new bracket for the spring to latch onto. From memory the spring was sloppy beforehand, so Iíve tried to mirror that set up when Iíve reassembled it

What Iíll try is put the wheels on and put the car on wheel ramps to try and simulate being on the ground, maybe itís the spring doesnít have enough tension?

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I once had an issue with an airlock in my rears and I just couldn't get the fluid to the back end after I had the axle off. It didn't want to shift and I'd made sure the proportioning valve was fully open etc.. In the end I put one of the cheap hand held vacuum pumps on the line and it came. Never tried with a pressure bleed kit though.

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Good luck. I had trouble with bleeding the rears. Ended up replacing the compensator valve twice. Must have had a dud.

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Originally Posted by szkom
I once had an issue with an airlock in my rears and I just couldn't get the fluid to the back end after I had the axle off. It didn't want to shift and I'd made sure the proportioning valve was fully open etc.. In the end I put one of the cheap hand held vacuum pumps on the line and it came. Never tried with a pressure bleed kit though.



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Good luck. I had trouble with bleeding the rears. Ended up replacing the compensator valve twice. Must have had a dud.





Iím going to try and unseize the unit worse case

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Jobs done

Stonechip seal the passenger side wheel arches
Complete front and rear calipers, meaning fitting new seals all round and fit to the hubs
Change out the last 4 pieces of brake lines including flexis, then bleed with ATE200 high temperature brake fluid ,drivers side brake pipe is apparently a bugger to do because of the route needed.
Refit the battery
Refit the entire exhaust system
Strip out and fit the front Osrav/Eibach assembly including new bearings,top mount and camber bolts
Fit the cooling fans
Refitted the turbo heat shield
Refitted the 2 front wheels
Replaced the fuel filter and bracketry gubbins
Refitted the heat shield stuff on the underside of the car
Refitted the plastic rear valance assembly
refitted the front bumper
Fitted the PFC Zrated brake pads to the front brembos
Refit the original rear brembo pads
Fitted the cambelt guard from Joe!!

Started the car and make sure nothing is leaking! All appears good

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Jobs still to doÖ

Get brake fluid to the rear calipers
Refit the battery tray
Refit the rear wheels
Get the wheel arches professionally painted after the clean up
Fit the Bluetooth headunit
Do the fuel pump wiring mod
Retreat remaining leather inside the car, as per the drivers seat
Cable for drivers seat is bust, and lookís fiddly to fix
Fit the new reg plate
Refit the undertray

Take it for a tootle around the block, then if all good give a tank full of super unleaded

Book the car for tracking alignment and a once over on my mates ramps

Book a track session at Donington Park

Fit my FCCUK car sticker

And breathe!!!



I would say so far Iíve put roughly 130 hours of my time to get this far, and Iíve probably got got another 30 or so hours left. And Iíve enjoyed everything bar 2 jobs so far

The poxy M6 bolt for the coolant rail is just a twat to get at, irrespective of tools. I found it less painful to lower the drivers side engine mount and remove the tensioner to give a better access.

The rear wheel arch liners are a bitch to remove, however quite easy to refit


As ever the forum has been a great resource and many folks have helped either remind me of stuff Iíd forgotten from my previous Coupť ownership or given me key bits of detail, so thanks for this.

Iíll keep the other thread updated with my jobs to do,so I hope people are enjoying either my hammering skills or my ropey videos with commentary.

As a reminder the google drive is updated with some pics and videos from this weekendís efforts

Cheers Jamie wink




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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664235
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Right after some advice from Joe, Iíve give the compensator valve a few good touches with a hammer, and Iíve got fluid out of the nearside caliper, but canít get the drivers side to play

Iíve doused it in pb blaster and will tickle with a hammer again tomorrow night after work

Failing that Iíll buy a new one from Joe

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Brake bias valve ordered from Joe

will try and fit it after work tomorrow night

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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Maybe I'm late to the party but I've just seen this laugh


The original thread was here :

https://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1647174/1

though there wasn't actually a link to the video itself.

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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Maybe I'm late to the party but I've just seen this laugh

YouTube

I see you spotted it too Jamie!


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So just finished fitting the new compensator valve from Joe (thx joe wink )

They are a bit fiddly to rethread the brake nuts into the body of the valve, but itís done now

Quickly bled the calipers all round, interestingly I didnít jack the rear trailing arms and I got fluid straight to the rear calipers.

Maybe when the car is dangling the valve actually doesnít fully close the flow?

Tried the brake pedal, but feels a bit too much travel, but Iíve run out of fluid, so Iíll get another litre tomorrow and bleed the whole system again

So I will definitely have wheels on the ground for the weekend yipee

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Just finished rebleeding the brakes, pedal feels better

Got all 4 wheels on now

Just initially set the Osrav shocks as per some old commentary from Nigel

Tomorrow Iíll bolt the undertray on and do some last checks, and hopefully tootle around the block

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Folks, what bolts do I need for the lower fixing to the rear anti roll bar?

They are a 15mm head and on checking for the clonking noise the head has snapped on one of them

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I managed to get the stud out with little effort, so whilst itís annoying, the bolt must have been fatigued. Iíve found some donor bolts that I will change all of them as now I have a bit of paranoia and donít want a surprise of a bad kind

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Jobs still to doÖ


Get the wheel arches professionally painted after the clean up, now waiting for the quote....

Do the fuel pump wiring mod

Retreat remaining leather inside the car, as per the drivers seat

Cable for drivers seat recliner operation is bust, and lookís fiddly to fix. Anyone had experience of doing these???

Book the car for tracking alignment (booked for Wed 6th April) and a once over on my mates ramps, but need to free off the locking nuts first, as they are rusted up and mega tight, so the big boy tools are coming out for this job evil

I appear to have an oil leak grr I'm hoping its just the oil filter that's simply worked loose, as certainly having the car tickover on the driveway didn't show anything for several hours over the course of work I've been doing

Book a track session at Donington Park- planning for April 12th, so the pressure is on to fix a few points

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664437
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So I found the leak, it was the dipstick seal

What Iíve noticed is the flange on the dipstick tube doesnít get close to the mating face on the block

So Iíve cleaned it all up, reapplied rtv sealant, and drilled a hole above the original hole for where the securing bolt goes.

My theory is that is there was a gap it makes it easier for oil to push past this seal, so by sandwiching down the rubber seal/RTV sealant to the block face it should reduce the chance for any oil to seep out

Also managed to unseize the track rod end nuts, which were properly corroded, meaning I can can get the car tracked up on Wednesday

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Well another surprise breakdown tonight

Tonightís drive was short lived, so after buzzing around the country lanes near me, the car suddenly died, just as I was coming onto boost. It cut out quite abruptly, so my immediate thought was something electrical

As Iíd faffed around with fuses from earlier in the week, Iíd got a few spare ones with me, so I get out of the car , cocksure the fuse had gone and Iíd just pop another one in

Anyway it wasnít the fuse

I popped the bonnet and the negative connection on the battery felt a bit warm, so I thought some kind of short

Then I tried to start it, but it turned over without firing.

The injector light stayed on, so I knew it would not start

When I tried again the ignition just clicked, like when your battery is flat , and I could hear something crackling/buzzing in the drivers footwell, so I turned it off and got the car towed back home

Anyway got the car home, had a nosey around, with nothing obvious

After an hour the car had cooled down and would turn over but not fire

So the code and injector light comes on and goes off, so for me this is correct. I hear the fuel pump prime for a second or two, again Iím sure this is normal

But it wonít fire up

Iíve tried the inertia switch several times

Iím not sure about the 2 relays in the passenger footwell, and the fuel gauge is showing about a 3rd of a tank.

I will to be sure check thereís actually fuel in it tomorrow, and given I put about 50 quids worth of fuel and havenít done more than a 70 miles I hope itís not just fuel now for why it wonít start

However I still wonder what was going off with the electrics

Any pearls of wisdom that anyone can think of ?

Ps big thank you to joe for taking messages tonight


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I've replied to your PM in more detail, but thinking maybe fuel pump as it's been replaced recently with an uprated one and the fuse blew a few days ago too? Maybe the electrical problems are coming from that, or a short or the pump has overloaded the old wiring?

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Morning gents

Firstly thanks for the replies

Iím going to take the undertray off and check for any pipe related issues , albeit I donít think that explains the electrical weirdness that I saw


Then Iím going to clean up any of the main earth connections I can find, albeit I only know of 2 so if thereís more can someone enlighten me

Iím steering towards something to do with the new fuel pump/fuel pump wiring regarding the strange electrical issue I experienced.

So Iíll try and do the fuel pump wiring mod, just to eliminate this point

At times there appeared so little battery that when the hazard lights were on the dashboard lights were dimming in sequence with the hazard flash

Will report back on what I find, or not

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so its not a boost pipe issue, everything is secure

I've cleaned the earths up, but they didn't look bad

so the code & injector light come on and go out as they should with a 1 or 2 second with the pump priming.

the car now turns over, but doesn't fire

so I'm going to take the pump assembly out and test the pump......

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1664459
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6 ground points in engine bay:

1. Front left, on chassis leg near alternator
2. Front right, on chassis leg in front of battery (opposite to #1)
3. Front right of gearbox (cable continues from #2)
4. Right side under coil pack cover
5. Back right of engine bay near strut top mount next to ABS diagnostic socket
6. Rear of engine near bottom of large triangular support bracket (note, bracket lower bolt must also be present for good earth connection)

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thanks Graham/Simon

Fuel wasn't getting to the fuel rail......

so when I took the pump assembly out the flexipipe had come off the pump, so that explains why it wouldn't start, but now it starts. So I've used a beefier cable tie as I'm surprised it could come off, maybe I caught it when I faffed around with it earlier in the week??

But it doesn't explain the electrical weirdness I saw last night

So after chatting with Joe I'm going to borrow an infra camera from work to see if I can see any hot spots on cables in and around the footwell areas

Will keep you posted


Thanks again

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When you replaced the fuel filter was it definitely fitted the right way around? Just wondering if back pressure from there could have blown that hose off and caused the pump to draw too much current?

Or with that hose off maybe the pump spins freely and draws too much current? Definitely something strange with the pump fuse blowing the other day and that hose being off now. Which hose was it, one inside the pump/tank?

Also, is battery voltage OK? If there was a short from the pump that blew the fuse maybe it damage a cell or 2 in the battery and so it's now not outputting full power.

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Hi Graham,
I fitted it as per the arrow of direction, that matched the filter you had fitted, so I'm sure its correct

My thoughts regarding the pipe is 2 things

1 is the tie wrap that was supplied was tiny and not man enough for its purpose

2 is when you put the pump assembly back in the tank, you can catch this pipe ( when manoeuvring it into place, this is what I think happened coupled with a crappy tie wrap

You could be right that the pump continually running due to no back pressure might be the reason for the current draw, I don't have any other ideas at present so sounds plausible

The voltmeter in the car is indicating 14 volts, so ordinarily you'd say that was ok

so for now I'm planning to drive it to my mates garage (25 miles away) this afternoon for the tracking set up (road & track set up), so let's see....

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So.. . .

Car is behaving perfectly, no electrical weirdness

Just had the tracking done, and it's now ready for a trackday

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Thanks again Joe for your help, much appreciated wink


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Check all the air inlet hoses, sounds like one of them has popped off


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Hereís a photo of my tracking, before and after

Today Iím going to switch over the the Toyos and see how the car feels

Iíll Start with 38 psi in the fronts and 32 psi in the rears

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I am curious about the toe on the rear of the car as all components are brand new, and are obviously not adjustable

Are these results people typically get??


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The print out I have for mine shows zero for rear toe before and after. Given your readings are out so little and different before and after, yet the rear toe is fixed (!), I would read as 'operator' margin of error and not worry too much.


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It seems to drive nicely, and as you say it isnít adjustable so it can only be Ďrightí

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I think that as both sides are even I'd not worry too much about it.

I do seem to recall that the Bravo/Brava/Marea of the same era all used a very similar trailing arm albeit with slight differences in toe and castor. In theory you could swap the whole rear axle over from something like a Merea to gain more rear toe.

As above, I'd reckon it's margin

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So just got back from the track day at Donnington Park

The car mechanically was awesome, I tweaked the osravs on the front gradually to get what for me was a good balance.

So for those that know the track I was going through craner curves at a little over a 100mph, the only watch out was a bit of lift off oversteer that I could feel

TyresÖÖ I need some proper tyres for my trip to the ring later this year as the Toyo Proxes TR1s are just average for the track, but for the road theyíre more than adequate

Only thing thatís gone wrong is the boost controller, in short it has a high and low setting, and for reasons that I donít know at the minute itís only in low mode. But thatís in part why I wanted to test the car out

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so after checking over the boost controller, I can't find anything wrong electrically or physically with the vacuum pipes

My only conclusion now is maybe after some prolonged track time is the wastegate just not holding???

Any views from anyone??

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Could you try adding a vacuum to the wastgate itself and seeing if it creeps? Sort of a reverse leak down

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not a bad shout, I'll see what I can do

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Electrical gremlin is back grr

I suspect it may be the cable(s) to the starter motor, so weather permitting Iíll get underneath it tomorrow to inspect


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Just read it through and I'd think the earth cable is shot if there's heat in it. I can't see anything in the car pulling enough current to warm it if it's okay. Give it a good check to the inner wing and also to the gearbox. Possibly loose there.

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I did give these a clean up a week or so back, but I will take your advice and check it, as the negative terminal on the battery was warm

Today was weird, Iím been driving the car for a few hours and after several hours of the car being parked up, I came to start it and the dashboard lights dimmed and clicking could be heard.

I managed to bump start it to get myself home, and as a precautionary measure Iíve disconnected the battery in case it tries to combust

I will out of curiosity try to start it in the morning as I suspect it will start, meaning I just need to find which cable it is

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Might be the battery itself as it's quite old now. After initially going through a few of those awful Bosch silver batteries that Exide one was fine and was never changed again.

I always used the battery quick disconnect on the negative terminal whenever it was parked up (hence the dash clock being replaced with a voltmeter as I got fed up having to set the clock every time I took the car out!) so if you've not been doing that and the battery is draining overnight then maybe it just isn't up to it anymore.

You could check the connection of the negative cable to that battery quick disconnect screw thing and also how the quick disconnect itself connects to the negative terminal, I never had a problem with it but it was just a cheap ebay part so who knows.

I never had even a single problem with starting or turning over so I'd double check everything you've added (like fuel pump wiring mod) or disturbed during work of the last few months.

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Hi graham,
I have thought about the screw connection on the negative terminal after my last chat with you. So Iím going to dismantle it to see if thereís anything obvious with it

Regarding the battery, Iím of the view itís ok, as this morning from cold the car fired up straight away, whereas last night it displayed the symptoms of not enough oomph to do anything

At present I havenít actually done the fuel pump wiring mod, and given that the apparent draw is significant I canít think that the change of pump is enough for this level of current draw

So Iím sure itís a connection issue, I just have to find which one it is

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So Iíve found something which it could be

The screws which tighten onto the earth cable for the battery connection werenít tight, and donít look like theyíll tighten up further, plus thereís some corrosion on the copper wire.

So Iíll do this first and see what happens

Thanks for the suggestions

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so I've fitted a new heavy duty negative terminal connection, and done some tests....


so far so good....

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has anybody ever done different coloured seatbelts???

I'm thinking to get mine changed to yellow


https://www.kolourkoncept.co.uk/product-page/seat-belt-rebbing

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has anybody ever done different coloured seatbelts???


Fiat did with the LE, there should be pics around of the red seatbelts.

To me, it just looked silly and I think yellow would possibly be even worse, except maybe in a yellow car if the seatbelts properly matched the exterior colour. smile

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has anybody ever done different coloured seatbelts???


Fiat did with the LE, there should be pics around of the red seatbelts.

To me, it just looked silly and I think yellow would possibly be even worse, except maybe in a yellow car if the seatbelts properly matched the exterior colour. smile



Thanks Graham, this is why I ask wink


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Tacky imho....


But then, this is available in select locations....


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right you've convinced me it's barry, so I won't spaff my cash

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I thought I'd put this video link of the car at Donnington Park

For me it was a shakedown test, whereas my lad was going for let's thrash my dads car


As per my chat with Joe, I'm going to get some Zestino Gredge 07 RS (soft compound) tyres as the Toyo Sports just understeered from the first to the last bend


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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Tacky imho....


But then, this is available in select locations....


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Looks like a 90's rave throwback smile


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Originally Posted by Jamiepm
barry



That's interesting, I had to look this up, assuming it was a derogatory term - but in Edinburgh slang it actually means brilliant laugh

e.g. A local East Lothian brewery, Winton Brewery, make a beer called Barry Swally laugh


However I also note the Collins dictionary describes it as "a mistake or blunder" !



I've learnt so much from here.. laugh


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barry



That's interesting, I had to look this up, assuming it was a derogatory term - but in Edinburgh slang it actually means brilliant laugh

e.g. A local East Lothian brewery, Winton Brewery, make a beer called Barry Swally laugh


However I also note the Collins dictionary describes it as "a mistake or blunder" !



I've learnt so much from here.. laugh



Brilliant Simon, for me the expression 'Barry' means not very good/insert other expletive

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Originally Posted by Jamiepm
I thought I'd put this video link of the car at Donnington Park

For me it was a shakedown test, whereas my lad was going for let's thrash my dads car


As per my chat with Joe, I'm going to get some Zestino Gredge 07 RS (soft compound) tyres as the Toyo Sports just understeered from the first to the last bend


Cheers Jamie


https://vimeo.com/817238256/5513c82ca2




Jamie look...... tempted? laugh

Second shake down day with track tyres.....

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Hi Joe,
If I wasn't on holiday, then yeah no problem as I've not driven Thruxton

I'm just about to order those tyres we spoke about and assuming they survive the ring then I'll definitely do another trackday or 2 before the years out

Slightly digressing, but on the trackday theme.....

I live quite close to the Curborough sprint circuit and after my holiday I'm going to enquire about hiring it for the day (it would ideally be a Saturday), so would anyone else on here be interested???

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Originally Posted by Jamiepm


I live quite close to the Curborough sprint circuit and after my holiday I'm going to enquire about hiring it for the day (it would ideally be a Saturday), so would anyone else on here be interested???

Cheers Jamie


Jamie, I would start a new thread in the Track Day section and see how you get on.. smile


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Not much done lately due to being on holiday

Anyway Iíve just ordered some Zestino Gredge RS07 soft track tyres. Having read the reviews and spoken to Joe these sound like a good dry weather tyre

Also ordered the 2 poly bushes for the engine mount on the drivers side

Also planning to finally to the wiring mod for the fuel pump as Iíve already run the power cable, I just need to rewire the relay in

Then as per my other thread Iíll be giving the car another test at curborough at the beginning of June, albeit I have a challenge with my son in his MK4 Renault megane rs trophy. If I can get within a second of his time Iíll be impressed

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When it's all done you should contact Jayemm and see if he wants to make another video of it, as it was the handling he was most critical of and that's where most of your improvements have been.

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Originally Posted by GrahamL
When it's all done you should contact Jayemm and see if he wants to make another video of it, as it was the handling he was most critical of and that's where most of your improvements have been.



Hi graham, great idea, is he Ďlocalí to your neck of the woods?


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Nope he's based in England (not sure where) , he just travels around the UK a lot and knows a few people in Scotland that he stays with while making the videos.

Try dropping a mail to talk@jayemm.com

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Having had the tracking done recently, Iíve felt a bit of vagueness in the steering when driving on dual carriageways

Anyway Iíve found the near side track rod end has developed a bit of play, any pointers for which brand to go for, or ones to avoid?

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AA tend to supply Birth; I don't have any reason to believe there's anything wrong wrong with them...unlike the wheel bearings from the same stable which had a history of failing after far too short a time.


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Ok Simon, Iíll give Steve a call tomorrow


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Looks like you have done all the hard work and only have bits and pieces to do now.
Just in time for enjoying the summer.


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Safe journey around the 'Ring, I gather it's a deal more challenging than the likes of Spa.


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666019
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Safe journey around the 'Ring, I gather it's a deal more challenging than the likes of Spa.


You don't get out much do you Simon laugh

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Countrycruising] #1666021
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Originally Posted by Countrycruising
Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Safe journey around the 'Ring, I gather it's a deal more challenging than the likes of Spa.


You don't get out much do you Simon laugh


I did get to the butcher's today laugh


Has it improved?


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666022
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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666027
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Originally Posted by Countrycruising
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Safe journey around the 'Ring, I gather it's a deal more challenging than the likes of Spa.


You don't get out much do you Simon laugh


I did get to the butcher's today laugh


Has it improved?


It's a start wink

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Countrycruising] #1666033
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Originally Posted by Countrycruising
Originally Posted by Edinburgh


Has it improved?


It's a start wink




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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666043
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Never mind your ring, I'm at the ring

Car drove perfectly, but couldn't get on the track tonight, so will get on tomorrow

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666079
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Just been out with misha!

Jesus christ is he fast!

Importantly the coupe was perfect, no brake fade, no oversteer, just performed brilliantly

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666086
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Nice, did Misha record it for his YouTube channel?

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666088
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Yeah, not sure when it'll get posted though


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1666146
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https://www.racetracker.de/cargalerie/M0ZDY1ZlTUh0MmVna2JPVmlGVitkZz09/22697360

The link will take you to various images of me,my son and misha driving my coupe

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1667098
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Not been so active on tinkering with the car of late, but a quick update on things

So after the ring trip, the oil gets a bit too hot for my liking, circa 120 degrees C

So Iíve wrapped the front downpipe to start with, and Iíve already noticed the car takes a little longer to get the oil up to Ďnormalí temperature. So hopefully that will help when on the track

Next plan is to fabricate a better ducting arrangement for the aftermarket oil cooler. Iíd say itís about 20% bigger than stock, so Iím thinking to construct something out of fibreglass

Then if needed Iíll add a water spray to the oil cooler and the intercooler as a final step

If I can keep it closer to 100 degrees C, then thatís good enough for me

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1669402
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Itís been a while, so I thought Iíd post a few updates Iím about to make a start with

Iím going to shorten the intercooler pipe work, to hopefully improve the transient response of the turbo.

Iíve bought some vxr injectors, so a trip to flea in March is planned to get it all remapped

Iím going to have a go at enlarging the air duct for the uprated oil cooler I have to maximise cooling of the oil

Finally Iím going to buy a pair of rs3 brake ducts and fit them to the wishbones, theyíre only secured with tie wraps and for £40 itís worth seeing if they keep the inner part of the pad and caliper cooler

Link here for those interested https://www.akstuning.co.uk/shop/ho...ts-retro-fit-for-other-mqb-vehicles.html

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1669664
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Morning folks,
Just fitted 1 of the ducts to the drivers side wishbone, with just a small bit of trimming a clip. Will now take it for a quick test drive but clearance looks ok

Video link to follow


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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1669686
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Fitted the ducts to both sides , and taken it for a run. No rubbing,rattling so Iím happy

Quick video link so people can visualise how they fit

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bv_IyVF6GCa8Iy3VzYooOsIdeRZLHG4R?usp=share_link

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Morning Jamie

All this is looking impressive, I'm incredibly envious of your abilities. I had imagined that you had a fully fitted workshop with all modcons.

Best wishes

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Jamiepm] #1669863
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Originally Posted by Jamiepm
Fitted the ducts to both sides , and taken it for a run. No rubbing,rattling so Iím happy

Quick video link so people can visualise how they fit

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bv_IyVF6GCa8Iy3VzYooOsIdeRZLHG4R?usp=share_link

Cheers Jamie


Nice adaption to help cooling thumb

Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: PaulL] #1669870
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I'm just a spanner monkey that will give most things a go Paul wink

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Re: R803CGP / C20VTJ restoration thread - Discussion [Re: Edinburgh] #1671777
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Just changed a cv boot today, a bit fiddly as I donít have the kit for the hub nut and then appropriate torque wrench.

The circlip is somewhat fiddly but the joint came apart quite easy. Iíve fitted a cv boot kit bought from Alternative autos, so hopefully this lasts a while, as it seems good quality

A quick call to Joe for some advice on rear handbrake set up, so Iíll finish that job tomorrow if itís not raining

Finally experimented with a product call Berryman B12, to see if I can degum the oil control rings. Anyway itís a take the plugs out, get the pistons at an even height across all cylinders and pour the chemical in.

Anyway left it in for 4 or so hours and then siphoned it out of the cylinders, dropped the engine oil and filter

Refilled with fresh oil and apart from a bit of smoke at start up, all appears normal.

A Quick Look down the cylinders with my eBay bore scope and the pistons are shiny

My thoughts are linked to oil consumption when on track. Normal driving( even spirited) the car doesnít use a drop but on a track day I can burn up to a litre of oil.

So Iíve given it a go to see if it does anything, good or bad as Iím back at the ring in early July

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