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Tyre pressures #1661235
14/10/2022 12:03
14/10/2022 12:03
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I've just came across an article talking about changing tyre pressures to suit a change in tyre (wheel) size. The thinking being that a reduction in tyre sidewall size increases its stiffness, and therefore increases its load capacity, thus less air is required to maintain the same load capacity.

The proposal is that one should look up the load capacity of the original tyre by its required pressure and reference this against the load capacity of the new tyre size where the required pressue would be listed.

For my car, I've moved from the original 205/50/16 to 235/40/17 and so I'd need to look up the load capacity of the 205/50/16. According to the website, this is 1277lbs as the stock pressure is listed as 39psi.

Cross referencing this 1277lbs load capacity against the pressure required by a 235/40/17 gives me 35psi

Given that this calculation doesn't factor in the differing tyre walls across different tyre brands and models, this could easily acount for the bone shattering ride some owners have complained of over the years when running larger diameter wheels... Throw in heavier wheel and tyre combinations, stiffer sidewalls and stiffer suspension and its only going to get worse.


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1661243
14/10/2022 14:16
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This is interesting Ryan, thanks for sharing that.

I was advised several years ago with my 225/45/17s to let a few lbs out for exactly the same reason of crashiness and it's proved to be effective with no visible detriment to the wear.


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1661246
14/10/2022 14:51
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I’ve been running with 35 psi for some time now makes for a more comfortable ride. I certainly will not be doing anything like 155 mph so 35 psi will be quite safe.


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: jimboy] #1661248
14/10/2022 14:55
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Originally Posted by jimboy
I certainly will not be doing anything like 155 mph


You don't want your insurance going up, Jim wink


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1661250
14/10/2022 16:05
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yes, I run with 235-40-17 with 2.55 Bar at the front, and 2.45 Bar at the rear.

watch this

https://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1640951/re-tyres-pressures#Post1640951

Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1661257
14/10/2022 17:32
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IMO 39 psi is too high even on the standard wheels, 33-36 is more like it depending on the quality of roads you drive on.

Re: Tyre pressures [Re: carmine] #1661259
14/10/2022 19:49
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Originally Posted by carmine
2.45 Bar at the rear.


That's quite high, do you carry a lot in the boot?


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1661262
14/10/2022 21:25
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no, i don't carry much, i'll lower the pressure tomorrow, thanks for the tip.

Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1661310
17/10/2022 07:38
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I think back in the 90s, tyres had much softer sidewalls.

Re: Tyre pressures [Re: ] #1662814
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Originally Posted by GrahamL
IMO 39 psi is too high even on the standard wheels, 33-36 is more like it depending on the quality of roads you drive on.


Can absolutely relate to Graham,

See my subtle attempts to reduce "crashiness" in previous posts.

The number one best factor was Joe (Country Cruising) reducing the pressure all around after a shakedown test drive. Have driven them at lower pressure ever since- no issues of lost grip. No issues of advance tyre wear. But noticeably less bouncy.
The number two factor was replacing my Toyo Proxes for the "newer" Toyo design (I'm on the plus alloy wheel design size wheel so limited choice) and this has had a felt difference.

Additional factor - quite some time gently tightening up old trim screws in the cabin, and pads to the doors and handles where they meet plastic on plastic. You'd be surprised of the improvement!

Regards all,,

MM

Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1664797
21/04/2023 19:42
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There's a lot of factors that make for a less noisy / more comfortable ride, that's for sure!

I too run 17in wheels, so with 225/45/17's there is less cushioning than the standard 16in and 205/50's. Make of tyre and tread pattern can make a big difference to road noise, as can the age of the tyre.

I had Toyo Proxies all round and despite having a full tread depth, were several years old and although inspection didn't reveal any issues, were obviously less flexible. In fact they were somewhat 'crashy' and noisy. I just replaced all four with a new set of Goodyear Eagle F1 As6 this weekend the ride and handling has changed hugely.

They are now much quieter, appear to offer more cushioning to bumps etc. and the handling seems much more positive. Even my wife noticed and said she would come out for longer trips in the Coupe once more!

I suspect that a lot of the previous issues were down to the age of the Toyos - something to keep in mind for the future.

I too run at 36psi front and 28psi rear - It feels better than at 39


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Trappy] #1664801
21/04/2023 20:08
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That's interesting, I too use Proxies on the same size wheel as you and run them at round 36 front, 30 rear which helps.

I'll look into the Goodyear Eagles.


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Re: Tyre pressures [Re: Edinburgh] #1664825
22/04/2023 18:45
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
That's interesting, I too use Proxies on the same size wheel as you and run them at round 36 front, 30 rear which helps.

I'll look into the Goodyear Eagles.


I remember that I always used to run Goodyear Eagles on my first Coupé (standard wheels) and was very happy with them. I only changed when I got the current Coupé, it already had 17" wheels fitted (can't remember the tyres) and then had Toyos fitted when I bought the new wheels.

My old brain may be deceiving me, but it does seem to be a more 'comfortable' ride now than when the Toyos were new!


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