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Perfect touch live map results #262167
20/12/2006 05:46
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Got there about 9.30.Waited in reception for 15-20 mins and then Rob and Claudio briefly told me the plan of action and then took the keys.
After driving the car onto the rollers,Rob then came into the reception and told me they wont touch the car as its leaking oil everywhere .
And with the recent engine damage caused by the belts shearing they werent going to take any chances.
This was worrying as im 130 miles from home and didnt know where it was coming from.So Rob then went to get it off the rollers and ripped the front bumper off .You know the one i had to get specially made in scunthorpe. .Anyway they told me straight away and said they would pay for the replacement one.
We then put it on the ramp and found the oil was everywhere.I then remembered i had just replaced the oil and filter.
Claudio then remembered that Barbz had said they sometimes leak if there not done up rock tight.We tweeked the filter and then steamed it clean.Topped it up with oil and then left it to run.Once rob had seen it was now okay he then took it back onto the rollers.It was now 1.00.I waited in the office where i heard several dyno runs take place.Rob then came into the office and said theres a problem with the boost and a problem with the thermostat as its open all the time and therefor he couldnt map it due to it being in cold mode.
We then clamped off the rad hose,fitted a bleed valve and bypassed the avcr as we were running out of time.Not a good start.
He then said the stock figures which were:-
269 bhp @6500rpm with 252 ib ft torque peak.
after another couple of hours and a few more runs he then mapped the chip.
The sound in the office was really impressive.And the difference in sound between the 2 runs was hard to believe.
Rob then came back with a huge smile on his face saying that he cant believe how good the turbo is and its spool up is the best he had seen.
He then gave me the new figures:-
305bhp@6000rpm and 302 ibs torque peak.
This at the moment was all he would do until the thermostat and ebv have been sorted but he said that it will reach 320-330bhp no probs next time.
he then took it for a spin and came back with a big grin.He then said Fccuk me thats quick and that i have some major traction problems.He was well impressed with the result.
The drive home was foggy,raining and i couldnt see a thing but the power delivery and how smooth it is now cannot be put into words.The idle speed and cutting out problems i had are now sorted and the engine runs so much better.It is so much more refined that before.The power is instant and pins you back in all gears.
We had a bad day but the end result was what counted.I would reccommend this to anyone,its the biggest impact in terms of tuning for the money.Its a completely different car now.Drives great and even torque steers in 5th.So quick that it broke the speedo on the way back.

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Good news there bar the bumper and initial oil leak. hopefully this wasnt the motul stuff you were burning away matey

Im going to give them a ring if i can before xmas as id love it if they can map my LPG system as well but got to see if they will let it on the rollers knowing there is a dribble from the crank seal and it not being that much either...

Good work there Johnny more to come i guess hey

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Good news there bar the bumper and initial oil leak. hopefully this wasnt the motul stuff you were burning away matey



Yes it was mate i was well annoyed.It used 1.5 precious litres
One thing i would say is that i would of liked them to explain what they were doing more but we were well behind considering the days events.All in all,there work speaks the loudest,i was unsure of it before but i will definately go back again.Im speechless ,cant believe the difference.

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sounds good! im gonna be booking in after christmas with anyluck!!

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Get it done,the difference is huge from how they were before the map....I saw N18ELO there as well.I dont thing everything went to well for Nigel yesterday.It was good for me though as i swapped loads of bits over to mine .Only joking looks good in my favourite colour.

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So what mods you got?

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yet again, its good to hear a great result from the Coupe's new mapping guru

Glad to hear they sorted your problems - probably explains why they didn't get to do much work on mine yesterday

Hoping mine will be a quick fix - I'm already a bit bored of 1.6 Honda power - still, its a whole lot better than walking


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Fiat Bravo 2.0 20 valve Turbo
Welcome to my domain.You are viewing my ink black Fiat Bravo.Originally it was a Bravo HGT.After 6 months of work and a donor Fiat Coupe its now fitted with the engine that it always should of had from factory.It currently has:-

Hybrid superspool turbo
uprated walbro fuel pump with wiring relay mod
Novitec ecu chip
Aquamist water injection
Uprated front mount aluminum intercooler
Samco custom intercooler pipes
Uprated front mount oil cooler
Coupe radiator
Brembo brakes
Full decat blueflame exhaust system
17 inch AEI lightweight japaneese wheels
Apexi AVCR boost controller
Unichip and full custom remap(next mod) <---- I think this is done now
Coupe gearbox with viscous couplings
Boost,oil and voltage in car guages in custom pillar pod
Turbo timer
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Re: Perfect touch live map results #262175
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Nice results John It's never straight forward but I guess that's all part of the fun What boost did you run on the bleed valve and how does Rob reckon he'll get an extra 20bhp, ignition timing? I don't think anyone has managed to flow more than 300bhp on the Superspool so you are entering new territory if you can take it to the next level


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I don't think anyone has managed to flow more than 300bhp on the Superspool




Apart from me, JamieS and Gouki

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Sorry JimO... more than 305bhp

P.S. Got any graphs John?


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Flea i made 313.2 bhp ( .2 being very important on my superspool turbo and that was before i hade the pro alloy intercooler. Actually you plotted the graphs for me.

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313bhp is quite high for the superspool,is that with water injection too ?

With cams and mapping done by Rob I managed 301bhp and I think others are around this figure too. What rolling road did you use just out of interest ?

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Flea i made 313.2 bhp ( .2 being very important on my superspool turbo and that was before i hade the pro alloy intercooler. Actually you plotted the graphs for me.




Lol... did I? Well that's a great result with the superspool, nice one


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i will give the figures if someone fancies doing a graph for me
This was done without the aquamist as im having a few probs with the flow.
Rob also found a slight air leak around the jet pipe which again caused the initial low rr figures.
Rob was very impressed with the cars spool up and said that when im back in the new year we should get 320-330 hopefully when i sort the thermostat and the avcr out.But im tempted to go for trhe greddy profec b as its more user friendly and its the one he reccommended.He said i have lost quite a bit of low down torque as we had to fit a bleed valve.This causes the wastegate to open where as the progressive ebv,s control this giving better throttle response.But They never gave up even with all the problems and im well pleased with the final result and looking forward to getting a bit more next year.I am also going to contact barbz to see if he modifies the belt idler and tensioner asa the horror stories seem to get more frequent.And to answer the other question ,my superspool is nearly new and the engine has only covered 58k since new so perhaps that has something to do with how well it responded to the bhp figures,but im not sure.

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330bhp from a superspool !!! Whats going on here then, these units are only rated to 300bhp max, the GTIr hybrid would be pushed at 330 I would imagine ?

I never did understand those turbo map things but Im getting very confused as to how a little turbo like the superspool can produce a better output than a larger turbo

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Might be useful to see JBT's graph, as that may just be a spike on the curve, also you get into the problems of different rolling roads again. If Perfect Touch are reading at 10% over there's your answer. To be sure JBT would need to get verified by another RR. But if it is true, then its a cracking result, but like Jimbo I don't understand how the SS unit gets there. Would be good to see the curve

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Oh I hope Perfect Touch aren't over reading by 10%, that puts me back to below my figures from powerstation before the cams, fmic and mapping was done !

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LOL I am not saying they are, but its the old age argument again of differences in RR's

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I never did understand those turbo map things but Im getting very confused as to how a little turbo like the superspool can produce a better output than a larger turbo



I assume its due to the fast spool up.The peak is 305bhp @6500rpm.
2000 47.1
2500 66.1
3000 111.3
3500 185.5
4000 227.2
4500 259.1
5000 286.5
5500 294.2
6000 300.7
6500 304.6
7000 289.3
The bhp doubles between3000 and 4000 rpm.The spool up from there is hard to believe.
this is power at the flywheel.Which is 272.2bhp at the road wheels themselves.
Rob also mentioned the RR differences.I suppose the only way would be to get it done at 10 different ones and average the results.And that the live map is alot better than the unichip which is what i think you have Jimbo.This is because it is telling the engine what to do rather than a piggyback unit that tries to fool the ecu.This in my opinion will not suit the coupe ecu.Perhaps when you get the live map sorted Jimbo with the extra mods you have over me you will see better figures.Most cars will respond different to chips and live maps because all the components and parts will never behave the same hence the aftermarket chips causing problems.This is where live mapping is so much better as its on the individual vehicle,so is specific and unique to that car.

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What are you using to control the boost, to still be rising at 6500 is good for a SS unit?

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I was using an avcr,but Rob bypassed that as there was a problem somewhere,which i knew as it didnt boost right before and was uneaven.He mapped it on a bleed valve that he fitted and it used 1.35 bar max.

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tbh, Highwayman got 320 with a GTi-R, cams and headwork, I think Rob might be being a little optimistic with his estimates on this occassion! But there's only one way to find out!

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There certainly is.I thought i would struggle to get 300 especially as everyone i spoke too had more mods and not much more than 300.But the figures dont lie,and its one hell of a turbo.Personally money aside i would take it over the gt.But i dont plan to go much above 300 so it suits me fine where as the gt can go over 400 i believe.Dont forget that the 305bhp is at the flywheel not the wheels,the others may be quoting power at the wheels which is alot more if so than mine.

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Here's ya plot JBT...

BHP & Torque

That's a very nice curve Very fast spool as is customary with the Superspool, I'm not quite sure what you mean by you have lost low down torque to the bleed valve... you won't get any more than you have now with such good spool!!! You can also see that the torque starts to drop off at just over 5000rpm which again is customary for the hybrid turbos especially the Superspool which irc has a smaller compressor wheel than a standard turbo 1.35bar really is the max midrange for these turbos and you'll be looking at around 1 - 1.1bar redline to keep it nice and sweet.

Re the Unichip, you can get just as much power from these as you can a live map and don't foget the Unichip is "live mapped" also. There is no secret to tuning (other than the skill of the mapper), it's simply air, fuel and ignition timing. The Unichip can fine tune all these variables in order to get perfect fueling and ignition advance which in turn means max power


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Most people quote flypower (at least on here) as it is the standard in the UK. John don't confuse the GTi-R with a GT roller bearing turbo of which there are many different variants. The GTi-R is a hybrid T28 journal bearing turbo, same as the Superspool, but with a slightly different spec which allows it to flow more at the top end. It won't get close to 400bhp, max would be circa 320-330bhp, you would need a much larger turbine and compressor to get to 400bhp


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What's your turbo again Flea?

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Cheers buddy,
The unichip is just as good when mapped i agree,but think it will be troublesome as in theory you can get the unichip and the ecu working against each other and that i think is apparent in some that have had the unichip.
My torque which i thought was the biggest gain was:-
RPM lb/ft after Before
2000 123.7 125.0
2500 138.9 145.2
3000 194.8 203.6
3500 278.4 228.7
4000 298.3 244.7
4500 302.4 252.4
5000 300.9 247.5
5500 280.9 242.8
6000 263.2 231.2
6500 243.7 217.8
7000 217.1 200.3
As you can see the torque innitially is down due to using a vleed valve instead of a ebv,but that will improve on the remap.

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Seems like a good result dude!

I doubt very much you'll get 320 with the thermostat changed. When i rolling roaded mines with my dodgy thermostat it was running at *normal* fuelling near redline. So peak power *probably* wont be affected by the thermostat. My fuelling was running rich midrange before i replaced the thermostat.

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Im more than happy with 300,so anything else is a bonus.

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