I'll get hold of one Julian.

Si/BMS, look at a fiat Bravo mount, I've got an old one you have to look at (the bearing is a bit noisey to actually use), they are a much better design for a coilover.

Jimbo - would a Bravo top mount be a suitable upgrade for normal MacPherson struts?

pretty sure mine are a bit tired now, so considering my options for replacement

Would be nice to get some adjustables, but I don't reckon there's enough clearance between the spring and the inner wing to make any difference

doesn't matter too much whether it's coop or brava as we are going to see if we can get an eccentric top mount designed. if not then I will go the bravo route. Unless you think people would prefer bravo mounts? Anyone know how much they are for a pair?

pretty sure that a decent adjustable top mount would sell very well - its a far more reliable (and probably safer) way of getting some extra negative camber than using camber bolts

However, from memory, the clearance between the spring and the inner wing is already limited - I'm not sure how much adjustment you could build in

Unless you use coilover type springs with a small diameter and then there will be plenty of room...

Nigel, No the Bravo mount won't work with normal McPhearson strut, it works on the coilover because it uses a spherical bearing so it allows the strut to sit at an angle that the normal coupe mount doesn't.

BMS, bravo mounts are £60 from fiat each. Eccentric top mounts would be nice but I can't see how it would work without going for a smaller diameter spring ?

Item 5 is the spherical bearing top mount

Bravo spring is smaller at the top than a coupe spring

I'd plump for more caster and do the camber on bolts personally. Depends on tyres and whether track use or not but 1-1.5 deg neg is all you need for general use. for list 1b (eg R888) 2.5 deg prob right. however caster is king on fwd!

agree we will need to use a normal coilover spring

Edited my post with a link to Fiat ePER BMS shows the bravo mount.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/suba11/lastscan-1.jpg

Here's the latest tracking sheet. Even with the camber bolts set to the max I can't get the camber that I want, so it looks like a custom top mount is the way to go.

had a play in second gear though on a dry road at full boost, to torque steer at all, and no wheelspin.

anyone know what the factory caster setting is supposed to be? anyone know what their caster is with Bravo top mount?
thanks
Julian

Standard
FRONT
caster: 3 deg 30 minutes +-30 minutes.
camber: -40 minutes +- 30 minutes


REAR
camber: -1 deg +- 30 minutes
toe: 0.5mm +- 2mm

I'll let you know as soon as receive some 2.5" top spring cups that fit the Bravo mount BMS, might even drive up to Leda in a few weeks to get it sorted but I'll let you know.

Si your rear camber is in tolerance for leaving the factory !

Phew - I thought I may have had some bent bits on the car since I bought it!

Some feedback from Testing at North Weald airfield - surface was too friggin bumpy for me to get any kind of feedback:

bounce bounce, spin spin spin on the front with no more than a bar of boost.

I think that the turn in could also be sharper, but the front camber is still not yet right, so no real suprise there.

I really need to get the car on a proper track in order to do some more testing somewhere nice and smooth.

Not sure whether people are aware but Suba is selling his coupe before we got a chance for him to properly nail it on circuit. His initial kit used the standard mount but this was soon proved inadequate. We refitted with new mounts at Gaz but then the problem was corner weights and camber were still out. Simon came to visit us and we set the car up however we were running out of time owing to a late start - We got to 7pm with 50% crossweight - but not quite enough negative on one side, we tried for more and of course that then threw our tracking out by this point neither I nor Simon had any time left ! I am hoping Simon will be able to report some more on road driving but i know he's not keen to push the car at present on track.

The kit is now finalised for sale including top mounts.
We can supply with a max caster mount (which requires some metal removal to rear of strut tower) or a mount which slots straight in but runs standard caster.

As you probably know Marco is running a 2 way setup on the front in Time Attack.

I'd really like to see if after a long and sometimes fraught development process people might be interested in some sort of group buy?

Gaz Gold Coilover Kit Fiat Coupe

thanks
Julian

Hi Julian.

I did manage to set the car up right in the end, and the result was very impressive on the road - it's a damn shame I never managed to play around with it on the track properly.

Nobby now has my Gaz suspension and top mounts on his car. The last I heard was that he was getting it all setup right - I'll get him to post on this thread.

I am now running FK silverlines on my coupe, and compared to the gaz stuff they are pants. They do not handle anywhere near as well, and they are bruisingly crashy in comparison - even with the Gaz dampers turned up quite high.

it's a shame the development took so long, but the end product was worth it. I also have to say a huge thank you to BMS for the work that he put into it - he was always willing to help on the phone, and put up with my endless phone calls and emails.

Just a quickie

Initial impression of the GAZ stuff is that its brilliant gear. Even after only unbolting them from subas car and fitting the coilovers onto my car there is an immense difference. I've adjusted the height (lower a little) as my car was running a tiny bit high, the big wheels that Suba has compensates and my standard wheels look tiny in the arches Its probably running near standard ride height now.

The road holding is just so much better than my coupe has ever been before. I'm currently running with the gaz coilovers and top mounts, eibach ARBs from and back, LE strut brace and 'Nigels' lower brace, plus a strengthened rad support mount.

I'm gonna be getting my full alignment done on friday at Monkfish performance - will be running a set up just like Subas. Still have camber bolts to fit plus I think I will buy rear arm repair kits to make sure everything is spot on.

I will report back more on friday

Chris

I've got two rear arm repair kits if you want them Chris.

You have PM (D'oh! - more spending )

Chris, what size ID and length and also rate spring are the Gaz units running, from what I have read they are almost identical to my Leda units so you can fit a shorter spring to get the ride height you want.
I'll send you a link to the ERS catalogue if you like, its even more spending though

Nooooooooooooooooooooo...........

Jimbo - haven't a clue, but I'll find out.

I dont know either - I left all of that up to Julian, and just gave him feedback during the development process.

He knows that you now have the kit - so feel free to call him, or email him - the address is on their website (google balance motorsport)

Hi
i have the rates available. from now on helper springs will also be provided for those that want the lower ride height and prevent the possibility of spring dislocation. again though as evidenced by Suba's car, the car does grip better and handle better at std ride height (unless other mods are made to alter roll centre and bumpsteer)

total rate
RT - road/track
FRONT SPRING 425
REAR SPRING 375

TR - track/road
VARIOUS COMBOS IN THIS KIT TO WORK WITH TYRES FROM LIST 1B UP TO SLICK


thanks

Julian

did anyone watch those mainly italian drag races posted on here ? original panda ran a 12.5 qtr !

anyone interested in getting some kind of group buy running?
thanks

Julian - I can start one if you like. Any idea on prices and numbers needed? You still have my number right?

thanks Suba that would be good. current retail of the kit £950 mounts £250 = £1200
available on the site today for £1075 (thought this might get a few sold!)
if we can get 5 kits then we could do £1021 and 10 kits £960 inc vat.
thanks
Julian

Do you want me to put this in the group buy section?