Fiat Coupe Forum
- Founded by Kayjey & James Northam
- Funded by the Club for the benefit of all owners
Fiat Coupe Club UK
join the club
Fiat Coupe Forum
 
» Announced
    Posting images


» Related sites
    Main club site
    fiatcoupe.net


» External data
    owners listed
 
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 142 guests, and 1 spider.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums69
Topics113,641
Posts1,341,443
Members1,814
Most Online731
Jan 14th, 2020
Top Posters(All Time)
barnacle 33,568
stan 32,122
Theresa 23,304
PeteP 21,524
bockers 21,071
JimO 17,917
Nigel 17,367
Edinburgh 16,851
RSS Feeds
Club Events
Club Information
Track Events
Rolling Road/RWYB
Social Events
Non-UK Events
Coupé Related Chat
Coupé Spotting
Coupé News/Press
Buying/Selling Advice
Insuring a Coupé
Basic FAQ's
How to Guides
Forum Issues
Technical Problems
General Maintenance
Styling
Tuning
Handling
ICE and Alarm
Coupés for Sale
Coupés Wanted
Parts for Sale
Parts Wanted
Group Buys
Business Forum
Other Vehicles for Sale/Wanted
Other Items for Sale/Wanted
Haggling/Offers
Ebay links
Other Cars
Other Websites
General Chat
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: OO7] #549532
25/02/2008 23:20
25/02/2008 23:20
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,568
Northampton England
Sedicivalvole Offline OP
Club member 2092
Sedicivalvole  Offline OP
Club member 2092
Forum is my life

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,568
Northampton England
well will poke ND see what they say \:\)


Vinci Grey LE
Alfa 147 GTA 3.2 V6
BMW E92 M3 4.0 V8
Fiat Tipo Sedicivalvole 2.0 16v ABS
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: Sedicivalvole] #549910
26/02/2008 06:23
26/02/2008 06:23

K
Kenno
Unregistered
Kenno
Unregistered
K



are ND on facebook?

Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: ] #549954
26/02/2008 13:40
26/02/2008 13:40
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,568
Northampton England
Sedicivalvole Offline OP
Club member 2092
Sedicivalvole  Offline OP
Club member 2092
Forum is my life

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,568
Northampton England
Nope and neither is MrSedici it will be a verbal poke!


Vinci Grey LE
Alfa 147 GTA 3.2 V6
BMW E92 M3 4.0 V8
Fiat Tipo Sedicivalvole 2.0 16v ABS
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: Sedicivalvole] #550095
26/02/2008 18:13
26/02/2008 18:13
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,367
Staffordshire
Nigel Offline
Forum veteran
Nigel  Offline
Forum veteran

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,367
Staffordshire
the standard clutch can handle up to about 275 lb-ft without drama, so save your money and don't bother with a Helix unless you're aiming for 300 lb-ft or more


[Linked Image]
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: Nigel] #550171
26/02/2008 19:52
26/02/2008 19:52
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
S
S1MMA Offline
Competition Level
S1MMA  Offline
Competition Level
S

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
are some of you guys crazy? I drove Gouki's car 2 days ago - back to back after driving my car (with GTA clutch - which DOES feel like standard). The Helix was a SHEDLOAD heavier! I had to use a lot more pressure than I have to with my GTA clutch, like more than double I'd say.

Gouki said that after a few days of driving it, he got used to it and it feels like normal - which I can see being true, but if you want to compare back to back, the Helix is a lot heavier. And the bite was a lot snappier compared to standard, it juddered when I was trying to slip it.

When going for it, and performing aggressive gearchanges at 6000+rpm it felt great, but for traffic/normal driving it's very aggressive compared to standard.

And this is testing back to back with my own car, so I know what I'm talking about!


Sideways a LOT
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: S1MMA] #550175
26/02/2008 19:56
26/02/2008 19:56
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,568
Northampton England
Sedicivalvole Offline OP
Club member 2092
Sedicivalvole  Offline OP
Club member 2092
Forum is my life

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,568
Northampton England
Thanks S1MMA,

I think I will go for the standard as the benefits don't really stake up on a normal car.

All thoughts and points appreciated though guys!

Nick


Vinci Grey LE
Alfa 147 GTA 3.2 V6
BMW E92 M3 4.0 V8
Fiat Tipo Sedicivalvole 2.0 16v ABS
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: Sedicivalvole] #550241
26/02/2008 21:47
26/02/2008 21:47
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
S
S1MMA Offline
Competition Level
S1MMA  Offline
Competition Level
S

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
if you want to go for something above standard Nick, go for a GTA clutch. That's what I did running just over standard power, and it feels light (as OE) and (not wanting to get into the whole GTA debate) is beefed up over standard. If it's only £50-£100 more to get the GTA, then it's not such a massive difference in price, and you don't get a race feel clutch. Mine has been well abused, probably over 40 1/4 mile drags, 4 trackdays and plenty of launches on the road, and is still fine at 1.1 bar.


Sideways a LOT
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: S1MMA] #550319
26/02/2008 23:26
26/02/2008 23:26

E
eldinho
Unregistered
eldinho
Unregistered
E



S1mma out of curiosity are you talking about the Helix Organic or Helix Paddle?

Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: ] #550580
27/02/2008 03:50
27/02/2008 03:50

D
davidub
Unregistered
davidub
Unregistered
D



 Originally Posted By: eldinho
S1mma out of curiosity are you talking about the Helix Organic or Helix Paddle?


TBH, sounds like a paddle to me. With my Helix organic the pedal felt lighter than the std. clutch it replaced and it certainly doesn't judder in reverse. It occassionally judders if I try to slip it when it's hot. Apparently the performance of a clutch comes down to installation and bedding it in for the first few hundred miles.

Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: ] #550763
27/02/2008 14:59
27/02/2008 14:59
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
S
S1MMA Offline
Competition Level
S1MMA  Offline
Competition Level
S

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
Helix organic mate. It was juddering in 1st gear when I tried to slip it, pulling away on a level surface in my underground car park. I've never used a paddle, but if it's more aggressive than the organic helix I'd shoot myself if I had to use it in traffic. Maybe Gouki's one has something wrong with it if you guys recon the Helix organic feels like OE, I thought it felt nothing like OE. A million miles from it in fact. Rog fitted it, so can't see that being done incorrectly.


Sideways a LOT
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: S1MMA] #550773
27/02/2008 15:23
27/02/2008 15:23

H
h2ypr
Unregistered
h2ypr
Unregistered
H



How long had it been ran in for?

Ross

Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: ] #550814
27/02/2008 16:07
27/02/2008 16:07
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,671
Newport,south wales
B
Benny Offline
My life on the forum
Benny  Offline
My life on the forum
B

Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,671
Newport,south wales
[/quote] Apparently the performance of a clutch comes down to installation and bedding it in for the first few hundred miles. [/quote]

Mine was fitted about a month ago,
and ive covered about 250/300 miles bit of city driving and fast driving \:D

i currently experiance no juddering when pulling away \:\)

It would be my guess you would just get use to it \:P

Ben

Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: Benny] #550841
27/02/2008 16:47
27/02/2008 16:47
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
S
S1MMA Offline
Competition Level
S1MMA  Offline
Competition Level
S

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
I don't know how long it's been "run in" for, ask him!


Sideways a LOT
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: S1MMA] #550843
27/02/2008 16:54
27/02/2008 16:54

G
Gouki
Unregistered
Gouki
Unregistered
G



My ears are burning.....

Well it's just driving technique. You can basically pull away with zero juddered once you get used to it. I've done about 1K miles with my clutch but I do drive the car really easy. I'm no trackday HERO like S1MMA.

A)It's not a paddle.
B)It's not lighter than a standard clutch.
C)The bite is fiercer than the standard clutch

Like my Sig S1MMA?

Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: ] #551014
27/02/2008 19:56
27/02/2008 19:56
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
S
S1MMA Offline
Competition Level
S1MMA  Offline
Competition Level
S

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
yes, you've proved you're sadder than me with your sig, well done.

After driving it for a bit, I did get smoother - although if you slip it like you're using an OE clutch, then it will judder. You have to me more aggressive when bringing it to bite to get a smoother takeoff, and hence in start stop traffic I can see it being less drivable compared to OE, which isn't a big surprise.

 Originally Posted By: Gouki

I'm no trackday HERO like S1MMA.


Well I don't like to boast, but I am quite a hero. Thanks mate.


Sideways a LOT
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: ] #551016
27/02/2008 19:58
27/02/2008 19:58
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
S
S1MMA Offline
Competition Level
S1MMA  Offline
Competition Level
S

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,033
I WANT F40
 Originally Posted By: Gouki
My ears are burning.....


You're not f*@king around with a bunson burner in the lab again are you? Last time it was your hair on fire, now your ears........


Sideways a LOT
Re: Clutch - Organic Helix [Re: S1MMA] #551838
28/02/2008 21:50
28/02/2008 21:50
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,831
Haslemere, Surrey
M
Mark_S Offline
Forum is my job
Mark_S  Offline
Forum is my job
M

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,831
Haslemere, Surrey
I have the same experience as Gouki, so would not bother fit to a standard car.


997 C4S
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1
(Release build 20190129)
PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.012s Queries: 14 (0.005s) Memory: 0.8190 MB (Peak: 0.9506 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2024-05-19 17:29:40 UTC