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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #674440
05/09/2008 10:50
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Hands up all the engineers of the forum!
From my knowledge, I'd go with K9huff.
Nigel and Jimbo, round tube has a uniform behaviour and that's one of the reasons it's used in many things, but in our case square of the right dimensions and thickness will be fine.

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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #674469
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Now I think about it, I concede the point about square section on space frame cars

I have a brief engineering background, and Jimbo's is rather more up to date than mine.

However, I have no answer to your point about moments of area, so I will happily bow to your knowledge.

My brace is still going to be round though \:P


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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #674479
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Nigel, Whats you opinion on this ?

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Kelv27] #674507
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 Originally Posted By: Kelv27
Nigel, Whats you opinion on this ?


pointless....

There's simply no point in bracing the subframe between its own mounting points to the chassis, so three sides of that frame are a waste of mild steel


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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Nigel] #674531
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true...

makes a more impressive kit though and I guess they can charge more ;\)

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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #674546
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Hmm true. They quoted USD85..pretty cheap. Just wondering if clearance would be a bigger issue with all that extra mounting points.

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #674607
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Hands up all the engineers of the forum!
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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Kelv27] #674631
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 Originally Posted By: Kelv27
Hmm true. They quoted USD85..pretty cheap. Just wondering if clearance would be a bigger issue with all that extra mounting points.


I have tested it. My car is lowered with Eibach springs. I think the clearance to the ground was three fingers, ca 60 mm.



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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Freddan72] #674636
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You tried the exact same one freddan? 3 Fingers?!? Are there no road humps in Sweden? \:D

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Kelv27] #674639
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I never fitted it, just tested it in the garage ;\)
I think you should only use it on a car that is not lowered.

The roads in Sweden are not the best. Holes & humps, we got it all \:D


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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Nigel] #674661
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 Originally Posted By: Nigel
pointless....

There's simply no point in bracing the subframe between its own mounting points to the chassis, so three sides of that frame are a waste of mild steel


Totally agree, that's a complete waste of steel, the side and rear parts of the brace are doing nothing whatsoever.

If they wanted to (possibly) improve on a standard brace then that extra steel would be better used as a diagonal member, triangulating the brace.

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Not a mechanical/structural engineer though, but it is a bit of a hobby.

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #674712
05/09/2008 15:28
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 Originally Posted By: k9huff
If they wanted to (possibly) improve on a standard brace then that extra steel would be better used as a diagonal member, triangulating the brace.


Thats what I was thinking.

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #712640
22/11/2008 21:12
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What about fitting one of the OMP brace's anf then bracing that to the mounts that hold the radiator bracket?

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #712720
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just so you all know, the subframe brace Group Buy is back on again \:D


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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: Nigel] #712842
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is it a direct fit for the 16vT or only for the 20vT ?

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Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: crgracing] #712851
23/11/2008 13:08
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I have one of nigels lower braces on my 16vt. I didnt fit it myself (Motormech did) but AFAIK it's a direct fit.

Re: Front Lower Brace [Re: ] #712917
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yes - fits 16v / 16VT as well as 20v variants


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