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Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #649275 21/07/2008 09:13 21/07/2008 09:13
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 554 Nottingham C Cyclone Enjoying the ride
Cyclone Enjoying the ride C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 554 Nottingham	Originally Posted By: MattW Originally Posted By: mattB I'm sure they'd talk you through what the setting means and what difference it could possibly make if you ask them. Maybe there isn't a 5, just 4, 6 and 8? After doing some searching for "dyno dynamics" it appears they dont have a 5 cylinder mode, been mentioned on here before. does 314 at the flywheel sound about right when it's 266 at the wheels? sounds about right to me. Hi Matt, That's a fair comment and may be correct. Jules

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: Cyclone] #649340 21/07/2008 11:01 21/07/2008 11:01
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,390 Essex Trappy Forum is my life
Trappy Forum is my life Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,390 Essex	It should be run in 6 cylinder mode. Apparently neither is any more accurate, but it is the industry standard to do 5s in 6 mode for comparative purposeses. More importantly, as I recall (I can't view from work) your dyno graph redlines at 5,900rpm. It appears that they haven't set the dyno up correctly (if this is the case) and you BHP figures will be out. You'd be better of posting up the torque curve and getting one of us to put the BHP up properly. I think it will actually give a higher figure... Sorry, I blame the work filter Last edited by Trappy; 21/07/2008 12:47. Reason: Idiocy... F**** b**** thing...

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: Trappy] #649354 21/07/2008 11:11 21/07/2008 11:11
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MattW Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: Trappy It should be run in 6 cylinder mode. Apparently neither is any more accurate, but it is the industry standard to do 5s in 6 mode for comparative purposeses. More importantly, as I recall (I can't view from work) your dyno graph redlines at 5,900rpm. It appears that they haven't set the dyno up correctly (if this is the case) and you BHP figures will be out. You'd be better of posting up the torque curve and getting one of us to put the BHP up properly. I think it will actually give a higher figure... You looking at my graph there? My graphs go to well over 6500rpm, if you take another look, and the torque curve is displayed $\:\?$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: Trappy] #649355 21/07/2008 11:11 21/07/2008 11:11
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Vas Unregistered V	test was done in 3rd gear??? Should be 4th in 5gear boxes and 5th in 6gear boxes, no? Good results, spot on fueling, so who really cares if its 310 or 320! V.

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #649363 21/07/2008 11:16 21/07/2008 11:16
M MattW Unregistered
MattW Unregistered M	3rd gear was used, yes - most of the different coupe RR sessions that I've seen have been done in 3rd gear.

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #649366 21/07/2008 11:19 21/07/2008 11:19
V Vas Unregistered
Vas Unregistered V	v.odd! as far as I know they try to test with as close to 1:1 ratio and that's definitely not 3rd gear! I'm sure someone is going to correct me if not, but most Italian and Greek RR graphs I've seen and all the RR sessions I've been to were in 4th or 5th for the 6gear guys. V.

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #649396 21/07/2008 11:51 21/07/2008 11:51
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 554 Nottingham C Cyclone Enjoying the ride
Cyclone Enjoying the ride C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 554 Nottingham	It depends on what the max speed is that the rolling road can accurately calibrate too. For the Dyno Dynamics Dynomometers it is 150mph. Therefore the Coupe could be ran in 4th. I tried running my old Cerbera in 4th on the Dyno Dynamics but from around 6000rpm the curve started to distort and gave a much higher figure than when we ran in 3rd, the car was running at over 150mph. On another brand of Dyno this my not be a problem.

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650036 22/07/2008 11:45 22/07/2008 11:45
C clay99 Unregistered
clay99 Unregistered C	Done better that mine there mate your fueling is alot better than mine looking at your graphs. Congratulations m8!! Will have to look at sorting out my fuel and clutch still on a standard one at the moment

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650091 22/07/2008 13:01 22/07/2008 13:01
M MattW Unregistered
MattW Unregistered M	Cheers, clay, I've replied in your thread $;\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650512 23/07/2008 00:50 23/07/2008 00:50
M MattW Unregistered
MattW Unregistered M	OK, what's going on? More than one person has told me that my results are just plain wrong, inaccurate, try it on another rolling road, etc etc. Nobody will tell me WHY they are wrong... $\:\?$ (apart from jules saying they shouldnt have run it in 4F - but 4F was fine on everybody elses car) What else could bring anyone to that conclusion?

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650573 23/07/2008 09:16 23/07/2008 09:16
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MABR Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: MattW OK, what's going on? More than one person has told me that my results are just plain wrong, inaccurate, try it on another rolling road, etc etc. Nobody will tell me WHY they are wrong... $\:\?$ (apart from jules saying they shouldnt have run it in 4F - but 4F was fine on everybody elses car) What else could bring anyone to that conclusion? Matt - give Steve a call at Dyno Demon. Explain what people on here are saying and ask him for his comments. I'm sure this can be brought to a successful conclusion. $\:\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650591 23/07/2008 10:14 23/07/2008 10:14
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MattW Unregistered M	I need a bit more than "I've been told theyre wrong" I need "I've been told theyre wrong BECAUSE......." $;\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650603 23/07/2008 10:27 23/07/2008 10:27
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	The things that I can see are wrong are that it’s been run in 3rd gear when 4th would be more ‘normal’ and that the torque seems remarkably high for the level of boost you are running. Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: mattB] #650610 23/07/2008 10:37 23/07/2008 10:37
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MattW Unregistered M	Thanks mattb $\:\)$ I can explain the torque. look at any other coupe running a GT28R. Can they hold 1.4 bar to 5000rpm? No, it drops off to 1.2 bar at 5000rpm. limitations of the turbo. My maximum torque is 300lb/ft at 5000rpm at 1.2 bar. SAME AS ALL THE OTHERS $\:\)$ If I was running 1.4 bar I would get the same or similar peak torque at 5000rpm becauser it would have dropped to 1.2 by then, but it would beef up the midrange more below 5000rpm. Next time, I will ask them to run it in 4th gear.

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650680 23/07/2008 12:00 23/07/2008 12:00
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suba Unregistered S	Originally Posted By: MattW No, it drops off to 1.2 bar at 5000rpm. limitations of the turbo. What? You can almost hold that at the redline!??!?!?!?

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650690 23/07/2008 12:13 23/07/2008 12:13
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	The other disadvantage about running in 3rd gear is your boost will come in later by a few 100rpms. You will also get slightly higher wheel power although this will have no bearing on the flywheel calculation as long as the dyno was setup for 3rd gear and ran in 3rd gear. Anyway, nice results $\:\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650703 23/07/2008 12:27 23/07/2008 12:27
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MattW Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: suba Originally Posted By: MattW No, it drops off to 1.2 bar at 5000rpm. limitations of the turbo. What? You can almost hold that at the redline!??!?!?!? Nope, not even close! When I went in Ross' car just after he had upgraded from the GT28R to the RSR he was saying it was definitely holding more boost than the R, it was holding 1.2 bar past 6k rpm $;\)$ Last edited by MattW; 23/07/2008 12:39.

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650712 23/07/2008 12:41 23/07/2008 12:41
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Oh and upload your graph $;\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650714 23/07/2008 12:42 23/07/2008 12:42
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MattW Unregistered M	$;\)$ Originally Posted By: MattW 1. High setting - Flywheel Power and Torque GRAPH 2. Low setting - Flywheel Power and Torque GRAPH 3. Both settings - Boost and Fuelling (top right shows power at the wheels on low setting - high was 266) GRAPH

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650716 23/07/2008 12:43 23/07/2008 12:43
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	No, to your TS page $\:\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: Flea] #650718 23/07/2008 12:44 23/07/2008 12:44
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe Flea Forum is my life
Flea Forum is my life Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,405 Castle Combe	Oh and list your mods while you are at it $\:D$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: Flea] #650719 23/07/2008 12:45 23/07/2008 12:45
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	Why cant you get more than 1.2 bar at 5k rpm? I can hold more than that on my GTi-R. Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: Flea] #650720 23/07/2008 12:45 23/07/2008 12:45
M MattW Unregistered
MattW Unregistered M	oh right! OK $\:\)$

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: mattB] #650722 23/07/2008 12:47 23/07/2008 12:47
M MattW Unregistered
MattW Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: mattB Why cant you get more than 1.2 bar at 5k rpm? I can hold more than that on my GTi-R. I think I could hold a little bit more, perhaps, if it was set up properly to hold it. GT28R isnt bigger than GTiR is it?

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650730 23/07/2008 12:56 23/07/2008 12:56
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suba Unregistered S	yep

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650732 23/07/2008 13:02 23/07/2008 13:02
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	Here's my boost graph from last weekend, so I'd say you should be able to run a fair bit more boost, or at least hold it for longer (if you have sufficient fueling); http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/bryce_matthew/HiboostBoost.jpg Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: mattB] #650736 23/07/2008 13:10 23/07/2008 13:10
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,829 kidderminster nick_d My life on the forum
nick_d My life on the forum Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,829 kidderminster	So your boost goes over 1.5bar then tails off to 1.3?? Am i right in thinking 1 bar is 14psi??? Lot of boost isn't it?? Nick Last edited by mattB; 23/07/2008 13:13. Reason: Sig pic too big

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: nick_d] #650738 23/07/2008 13:14 23/07/2008 13:14
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland mattB Club member 6
mattB Club member 6 I AM a Coop Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,728 N.E Scotland	It is a lot, but the point I'm trying to make is that MattW's turbo is capable of making more boost than he is currently running. Death-rattle-tastic

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: mattB] #650741 23/07/2008 13:19 23/07/2008 13:19
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MattW Unregistered M	Originally Posted By: mattB It is a lot, but the point I'm trying to make is that MattW's turbo is capable of making more boost than he is currently running. I think youre right actually, if I ran more in the midrange then it would be able to sustain it for longer. it only drops by a few PSI, just like yours and everyone elses. It made 322bhp at 1.3 bar so that's what must have happened there. The most important thing for me... what I want to know is: 300lb/ft at just over 1.2 bar at 5000rpm - is that "too much torque to be correct" ?? Last edited by MattW; 23/07/2008 13:21. Reason: added a bit

Re: Congratulations MattW [Re: ] #650822 23/07/2008 14:39 23/07/2008 14:39
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suba Unregistered S	It's more than I would have thought - mine make just under that but peaks at 5,500 but on a flowed engine.

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