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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #684941
25/09/2008 22:04
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 Originally Posted By: Johna
u couldnt help me out with what piping i need for the evo fmic? cheers


I'm in the rather lucky position of being able to get custom piping made on site, but I can take some pics whenever I get the chance if that helps any.

Freddan the injectors are actually usually used on VAG cars, and yes still on standard internals.

I'm using a Helix paddle clutch, four point.

Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #684947
25/09/2008 22:39
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 Originally Posted By: Matty

No rebuild....yet. \:D



Tick Tock Tick Tock ;\)



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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #692837
16/10/2008 19:32
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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #692844
16/10/2008 19:47
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CRIKEY

Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #692853
16/10/2008 20:02
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I'd like to know how many times your car has been on the rollers! Must be about 30+ I reckon! \:D

Good result though, lot colder now as well though ;\)


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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: Tartandude] #692856
16/10/2008 20:06
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Interesting rev limit.


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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: mattB] #692871
16/10/2008 20:23
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 Originally Posted By: mattB
Interesting rev limit.


not really - at lower boost levels, my power is still climbing as I hit the limiter at 7,200rpm. I could have easily set it to 7,500, but I wanted to play safe.

Any 20VT with forged and balanced internals will be good for over 7k rpm without drama.

Its also great fun to still be pulling really hard as the rev limiter hits - most turbo cars are well past their best by then


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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: Nigel] #692875
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 Originally Posted By: Nigel
Any 20VT with forged and balanced internals will be good for over 7k rpm without drama.


That's the interesting bit.


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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: mattB] #692879
16/10/2008 20:28
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AAARGH - just re-read the rest of this thread

standard internals - bloody hell \:o

3......


2......


1.............

ka-BOOM!


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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: Nigel] #692881
16/10/2008 20:29
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any afr graphs ?

bet its brutal on the road!

Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #692918
16/10/2008 21:23
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has this still not blown up??? \:D

the standard head is probably holding you back quite a bit!

Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #692940
16/10/2008 21:54
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Yes the standard head is probably at its limit, as are my 440cc injectors but the 044 fuel pump is helping a great deal.

The BHP won't kill it, but near on 380 lb/ft of torque will...if I could get it out of 10.5 afr as she comes on boost hard I dare say there is 400 lb/ft available.

Matt, the rev limit is interesting - I was just playing around with it tonight, but as you can see from my graphs there is little need to go above 6.5k at the moment.

Animal is the only way I can describe it on the road.

It's all in the block. ;\)

Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: ] #692944
16/10/2008 22:03
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Maybe if you run a few layers of tape round the block it'll help it hold together. \:D At the very least, it'll help to catch the rods when they decide to make their escape.


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Re: Almost 400bhp [Re: mattB] #692952
16/10/2008 22:20
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 Originally Posted By: mattB
Maybe if you run a few layers of tape round the block it'll help it hold together. \:D At the very least, it'll help to catch the rods when they decide to make their escape.


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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: MattM] #693007
17/10/2008 00:20
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Tiger seal.

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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693029
17/10/2008 06:26
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At the moment I´m only 87 WHP behind you ;\)

How much boost did u use this time?



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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: Freddan72] #693048
17/10/2008 08:34
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He He, nice one Matty. That is a seriously good torque curve \:\) So where is all this extra power coming from then... surely your not just turning the boost up \:D


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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: Flea] #693052
17/10/2008 08:35
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That doesn't sound like him at all.


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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: Flea] #693103
17/10/2008 10:23
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 Originally Posted By: Flea
He He, nice one Matty. That is a seriously good torque curve \:\) So where is all this extra power coming from then... surely your not just turning the boost up \:D

I think it could well be referred to as 'fine tuning' \:D

Some pretty mean figures coming from that coop though Matty - nice one!

I think my de-cat might have you scared this weekend though, I might make another 5HP!!! Wowza \:\)

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: Flea] #693121
17/10/2008 10:44
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 Originally Posted By: Flea
He He, nice one Matty. That is a seriously good torque curve \:\) So where is all this extra power coming from then... surely your not just turning the boost up \:D


Maybe a slight increase in boost, ie I pushed her slightly over 2 bar last night( \:D ) - but it's just down do getting to know the Unichip a bit better.




Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693165
17/10/2008 12:12
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It's that Scottish air... gives you at least 50bhp more. \:D

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693173
17/10/2008 12:34
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isn't it likely to be higher altitude and therefore less dense air? \:D \:D \:D \:P

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693177
17/10/2008 12:41
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But more importantly.. COLDER! \:D

I heard on the grapevine that AEM are bringing out a SAFR meter in the new year.. (Scottish Air Fuel Ratio). \:P

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693182
17/10/2008 12:45
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anyone want to RR their car in the south and then in the north on an identical dyno with the same operator to see if there is any difference? \:D

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693193
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Slightly over 2bar... sheesh, you iz da hi boost hero innit!! Seriously though, are you not getting any missfires?


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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693269
17/10/2008 14:18
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 Originally Posted By: suba
anyone want to RR their car in the south and then in the north on an identical dyno with the same operator to see if there is any difference? \:D


We should arrange this, but only on proper Dyno's - not your pub figure ones. ;\)

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693365
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it will be interesting to see how the rods hold out - I bent one of my standard rods at about 350lb-ft

It sounded just like a sticky tappet - clicking noise at tickover, at exactly half engine speed - turned out it was the piston rocking in the bore on the exhaust stroke as the small end was slightly bent \:\(

Isn't thre one of our Scandinavian friends running over 400bhp on stock internals?

What on earth is holding these engines together?


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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: Nigel] #693377
17/10/2008 17:30
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I think sparco (before he changed his name to cheasy peas or something like that) is as well IIRC, obviously some can take it and some cant. \:P

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Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: ] #693382
17/10/2008 17:38
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Well - it's not a matter of whether they can take it or not, but rather how long they can take it for. On a well mapped car the pistons may last a while. On a poorly mapped one about 5 mins.

Over 350 lbs / ft we KNOW that standard rods will bend, though there will be slight variences depending on the set of rods that happen to be in the engine. Any slight manufacturing defect and guess what's going to happen. ;\)

Re: Now over 400bhp [Re: Nigel] #693395
17/10/2008 18:09
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 Originally Posted By: Nigel
it will be interesting to see how the rods hold out - I bent one of my standard rods at about 350lb-ft

It sounded just like a sticky tappet - clicking noise at tickover, at exactly half engine speed - turned out it was the piston rocking in the bore on the exhaust stroke as the small end was slightly bent \:\(

Isn't thre one of our Scandinavian friends running over 400bhp on stock internals?

What on earth is holding these engines together?
Jari and his friend was over 400 hp.

Link here: 2x +400 bhp


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