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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736839
31/12/2008 11:31
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Nice one fella, sounds rather evil, awesome gauges, where ya get those???

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736858
31/12/2008 11:53
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Originally Posted by steveo
Nice one fella, sounds rather evil, awesome gauges, where ya get those???


Just google for Defi BF gauges, they ain't cheap though, about £120 a gauge, plus you need the controller for it, which is another £60 on top. I ordered them through a company in Japan.

Originally Posted by suba
Nice one Alexis! When can I come over and see it? smile


Prob wont be able to see it for a while, this weekend will the last time i get to work on it, then on holiday to Dubai and Thailand on the 9th of Jan, back on the 25th, then hopefully will be trailered away by sedicirich to get the rest of the things done to it smile

Originally Posted by Nobby
Does the boost gauge only go up to 2 bar frown


It does, but i won't be using 2 bar, i'm not that brave / stupid laugh

Originally Posted by TurboJ
What if you got 399BHP would it have been worth it? laugh


No cry


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #736863
31/12/2008 12:01
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if it came out on 399 just adjust the boost a lil bit!! that will sort the problem!! lol

horrible to say but that would be a mighty kick in the nuts if it rolled out 399bhp!!

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736874
31/12/2008 12:07
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Am I the only one who thinks this will easily get over 400?

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736877
31/12/2008 12:10
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with the amount of work done it should walk 400bhp!!

just imagine the shock horror of 399bhp coming up on a dyno print out!

(i no its a horrible to say and we all no it will never happen!!)

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736878
31/12/2008 12:10
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Nope, I can see it having around 420-435bhp and a load of torque.


Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736886
31/12/2008 12:18
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Originally Posted by Matty
Nope, I can see it having around 420-435bhp and a load of torque.



Why so Matty?


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #736894
31/12/2008 12:26
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Can we open a book on how much it makes on the rollers?


I'll start.......


58.9 BHP (Flywheel) thumb


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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: stan] #736896
31/12/2008 12:28
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oooo

92.1BHP lol

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736906
31/12/2008 12:39
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How much boost do you plan on running and why not 2 bar?


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Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Flea] #736909
31/12/2008 12:41
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1.4 to 1.6bar. More work would be required to run 2 bar on the 16v engine


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #736917
31/12/2008 12:49
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Whats the reason for this Beggars? I know the standard ecu has limitations but your going Motec aren't you?

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #736942
31/12/2008 13:24
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Originally Posted by Begbie
Originally Posted by Matty
Nope, I can see it having around 420-435bhp and a load of torque.



Why so Matty?


Just a gut feeling.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #736972
31/12/2008 13:46
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Fair enough smile

Originally Posted by eldinho
Whats the reason for this Beggars? I know the standard ecu has limitations but your going Motec aren't you?


I'd rather not risk trying something that hasn't been done before, but it would require a dropping of compression for a start, there are other things involved but can't quite remember why, but yes, i am on Motec


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #736982
31/12/2008 14:03
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its going to be a complete animal on the road!!

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737046
31/12/2008 15:38
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Your knock limited so surely you with keep increasing the boost until you reach this threshold. Don't have to run high boost all the time but for race day you wanna be able to push. What are your concerns? As I think your build has a very strong foundation.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737052
31/12/2008 15:41
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My concern is the thing going pop again. Don't think financially or emotionally i could take the engine exploding again.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #737054
31/12/2008 15:44
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Yeah, then we would have to wait forever again :-D.. I am planing to running with 1.8 boost, and i am sure you engine would handle that.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737076
31/12/2008 16:02
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if its treated with respect and maintained propper and built well there is no reason for it to go pop!!

(and boost kept and a reasonable level)

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737163
31/12/2008 18:18
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Why would it go pop? The strength of materials you’ve changed e.g forged etc crank/block/HG is sorted is it not? If it was gonna pop it would usually happen within the running in period. I'm sure Guy Crofts engine building skills won't let you down so really it’s all down to how good the mapper is.

B you should be able to say "map this" and come back later with a fully mapped car without the worry of things breaking surly that’s why you’ve taken so long cos everything is covered. You hope laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737217
31/12/2008 19:57
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you can only run so much boost with pump fuel so no need to push it, and engine failure may have nothing to do with engine directly if its running close to the det limit a fuel pump malfunction, too high engine temp, wastegate issues etc all could ruin the engine regardless of the bits in it. It's not a race car so no need to push it too the very edge.

rich

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737224
31/12/2008 20:36
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Cool project, I should think a reliable 400 is more than enought smile

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737444
01/01/2009 17:12
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Very true but if the engine runs too hot he should stop the run, it the wastegate is boost creeping he should stop the run...you get my drift. We usually push till knock then retard 2-3 degrees to be on the safe side.

I remember a guy was mapping a customer’s race engine and the customer kept telling the mapper what to do. He would says things like "that’s too much advance" or "I don't like that AFR" whilst hanging over the mappers shoulder. After 10mins of this the mapper stopped the run and handed over the laptop and said "You F****** do it". The guy replied "I don't know how to map". "Well P*** of then" and he kick him out the rollers and carried on mapping the guys car in piece smile

The point that I'm making is that it all lies down to how good mapper is, so saying don’t go past 2Bar is like hanging over the mappers shoulder. I’m 100% confident in B’s build and his choice of mapper. I know it’s his baby but I’m sure it will be fine. Can’t wait to see the results, hope it all goes well laugh

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737466
01/01/2009 17:51
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If guy croft built the engine im sure he would of given you some idea of limitations that the engine should be able to take, E.g Max RPM and such like, Just go on what Guy says, he is one of the best engine builders in the world.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #737866
02/01/2009 13:30
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Er I think advance is increased until power stops going up as opposed to hitting the det then backing it off!! crazy(turbo car being a little different may make power up to det but the addition of advance will often show dimishing gains prior to the det period).

I'm not sure advising a boost limit is hanging over anyones shoulders and GC certainly will have given his reccomendations. Fortuantly Phil at GG Motorsport is a true pro, begbie will have no issues there.

And TurboJ engine failure on the road is the context I mention too high temp etc but thats not to say an operator would actually be paying attention as I can attest to having lost my first engine to a moron RR operator who thought he knew it all regardless of the number of cars he had mapped.

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #765052
04/02/2009 22:45
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Any more news on this Begbie?

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #765338
05/02/2009 10:19
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I'm going to be taking the rear subframe off at some point, hopefully this Saturday if the weather sorts itself out, to do the subframe bushes, trailing arm bearings and fit the Eibach anti-roll bar from the infamous Taz group buy laugh

The car will be then trailered up to sedicirich's for temp storage and a gearbox swap out, then a week or 2 later it will be off to OJZ Engineering to get the external wastegate stuff and downpipe modified, then after that, it's off for mapping.


Originally Posted by Jonny - After being taken out at Spa
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
Re: Project 400bhp [Re: Begbie] #765339
05/02/2009 10:21
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<Drools> OJZ Engineering welding...... nice

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #765888
05/02/2009 19:51
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Any more news on this Begbie? your project is very nice smile

Re: Project 400bhp [Re: ] #766905
06/02/2009 18:58
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Begbie, can i ask, how much have you spent on this bad boy?

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