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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: barnacle] #1093011
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My understanding was that I still needed to install the pptp plug in afterwards which is what I did. From your first link it looks that this wasn't necessary so I either made a mess of installing the plug in I didn't need anyway or missed a setting off. I certainly didn't allow stateful encryption for MPPE last time so that could have been it. Either way, it now appears to work, at least it connects. Thank you.

My VNC client of choice (Real VNC) doesn't appear to work with x64 Linux (more about that 64 thing later) and I haven't managed to get the built in one to work so can't do much with my VPN at the moment but I'm moving forwards.

Other news!

My new machine is now built and I've switched back to nVidia for the graphics after having a mare trying to get my old ATI card to work properly. My twin view screen now works with propriety drivers so it finally (18 months?) displays how I want it. yipee

With my new machine having a 64bit processor, I decided to give the x64 version of Ubuntu and I is typing from that install now.

Bit for my reference later
My new fangled 1Tb SATA II drive is now split as

275Gb Windoze XP (NTFS)
550Gb Shared data (NTFS)
10Gb System restore (NTFS)
6Gb /home /ext4
128Mb /boot /ext4
110Gb / /ext4
8Gb Swap

Questions
1. I don't need to because the set up is so trivial for me but could I have copied over my old /home directory for my 32 bit Ubuntu to the location for the 64 bit one and have everything work? Just curious.

2. When I downloaded the 64bit desktop version of 10.04 it warns "Not recommended for daily desktop usage". Is there any particular reason for this?


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1093032
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Q1. Yes.... in theory. All of your files will be ok, but be careful about some of the config files and directories (those that start with a '.' and are normally hidden. If you're going to copy these, take a backup copy of the ones you already have, just in case something doesn't like the old config.

Q2. Dunno.... don't understand why they should say this, perhaps they feel that that x64 software may not be 99.999999% bug free yet.

Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: ] #1093051
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Q2 - it's all I've used since April... I had to boot W7 yesterday it I tell you, it was a shock - and not a pleasant one. That might be better than Vista, but it's still one Great Pile of Poo[tm].


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: barnacle] #1096806
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Note to self
Boot order defaults are now changed in /etc/default/grub from here.

Now to find out how to change the OS names.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1096917
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In the grub menu? It's free text - I'm on a updated previous version, so it still uses /boot/grub/menu.lst but I'd expect /default/grub to be similar:

Quote:

title Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS, kernel 2.6.32-24-generic
uuid 2f12553f-904f-453a-abfd-12cc19505fa3
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic root=UUID=8daadd97-a695-4b30-847f-e946d91453ff ro quiet splash
initrd /initrd.img-2.6.32-24-generic
quiet

# This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
# on /dev/sda2
title Windows 7 64-bit
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
savedefault
makeactive
chainloader +1


The line that starts 'title' is what gets written on the grub menu.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: barnacle] #1097095
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It doesn't work like that anymore, I used the method you mention previously in menu.lst but now /etc/default/grub looks like
Code:
# If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
# /boot/grub/grub.cfg.

GRUB_DEFAULT=4
#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

# Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
#GRUB_TERMINAL=console

# The resolution used on graphical terminal
# note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE
# you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo'
#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480

# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true

# Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries
#GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_RECOVERY="true"

# Uncomment to get a beep at grub start
#GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1"


For my set up I changed the GRUB DEFAULT line from 0 to 4 in order to force my XP to boot by default. /boot/grub/grub.cfg has all the OS text that was previously in menu.lst but this is automatically generated by a script. I'm thinking now that the only way I can change the name on the boot screen is to change XP's description of itself from within XP.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1108218
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Temporarily given up on the question above but now I have another.

Whenever my machine boots, Ubuntu puts the login screen on my right hand monitor (which is blank until I've logged in). I therefore have to move the cursor onto the blank screen and click it before I get a login prompt. Is there anyway to force my login to appear on the left hand monitor? I read someone's attempted answer at this question as to force the mouse co-ords to a position that would appear on the left hand monitor upon login but have no idea how to implement this.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1118628
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Another couple of questions for the experts, OK well you lot!

1. My sound doesn't work on Ubuntu, it works in Windows so everything is plugged in OK and it even works on Express-gate which is Linux based but my Ubuntu is not playing ball. I've been looking at this that I found and am going through what I understand but unfortunately that isn't very much.

aplay-l gives
Code:
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: HDA Generic [HDA Generic]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


and /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf is

Php Code:
# autoloader aliases
install sound-slot-0 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-0
install sound-slot-1 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-1
install sound-slot-2 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-2
install sound-slot-3 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-3
install sound-slot-4 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-4
install sound-slot-5 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-5
install sound-slot-6 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-6
install sound-slot-7 /sbin/modprobe snd-card-7

# Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules
install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq ; }
#
# Workaround at bug #499695 (reverted in Ubuntu see LP #319505)
install snd-pcm /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-pcm $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-pcm-oss ; : ; }
install snd-mixer /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-mixer $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-mixer-oss ; : ; }
install snd-seq /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-seq $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq-midi ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq-oss ; : ; }
#
install snd-rawmidi /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-rawmidi $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq-midi ; : ; }
# Cause optional modules to be loaded above sound card driver modules
install snd-emu10k1 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-emu10k1 $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-emu10k1-synth ; }
install snd-via82xx /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-via82xx $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq ; }

# Load saa7134-alsa instead of saa7134 (which gets dragged in by it anyway)
install saa7134 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install saa7134 $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist saa7134-alsa ; : ; }
# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
options bt87x index=-2
options cx88_alsa index=-2
options saa7134-alsa index=-2
options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2
options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2
options snd-usb-audio index=-2
options snd-usb-us122l index=-2
options snd-usb-usx2y index=-2
options snd-usb-caiaq index=-2
# Ubuntu #62691, enable MPU for snd-cmipci
options snd-cmipci mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388
# Keep snd-pcsp from being loaded as first soundcard
options snd-pcsp index=-2 

I appreciate that list isn't in php but highlighting the comment lines in green made it easier to read for me. I can't find my card in this list although it is a VIA VT1818 chip on a ASUS M4A87TD EVO mobo. No proprietary drivers seem available from either ASUS or VIA, any ideas?

2. I've been playing around with grub and have changed the boot splash image and wonder if it is possible to pick a different splash image every boot?

/etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme is
Php Code:
#!/bin/bash -e

source /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib

# this allows desktop-base to override our settings
f=/usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh
if test -e ${f} ; then
  source ${f}
else
  WALLPAPER="/usr/share/images/grub/LegoStarWars.tga"
  COLOR_NORMAL="black/black"
  COLOR_HIGHLIGHT="magenta/black"
fi

set_mono_theme()
{
  cat << EOF
set menu_color_normal=white/black
set menu_color_highlight=black/light-gray
EOF
}

# check for usable backgrounds
use_bg=false
if [ "$GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT" = "gfxterm" ] ; then
  for i in /boot/grub/`basename ${WALLPAPER}` ${WALLPAPER} ; do
	if is_path_readable_by_grub $i ; then 
	  bg=$i
	  case ${bg} in
		*.png)		reader=png ;;
		*.tga)		reader=tga ;;
		*.jpg|*.jpeg)	reader=jpeg ;;
	  esac
	  if test -e /boot/grub/${reader}.mod ; then
		echo "Found background image: `basename ${bg}`" >&2
		use_bg=true
		break
	  fi
	fi
  done
fi

# set the background if possible
if ${use_bg} ; then
  prepare_grub_to_access_device `${grub_probe} --target=device ${bg}`
  cat << EOF
insmod ${reader}
if background_image `make_system_path_relative_to_its_root ${bg}` ; then
  set color_normal=${COLOR_NORMAL}
  set color_highlight=${COLOR_HIGHLIGHT}
else
EOF
fi

# otherwise, set a monochromatic theme for Ubuntu
if ${use_bg} ; then
  set_mono_theme | sed -e "s/^/  /g"
  echo "fi"
else
  set_mono_theme
fi 


Currently line 10 (WALLPAPER="/usr/share/images/grub/LegoStarWars.tga") selects my background but I'd like to make that cycle round all the images in that folder. I don't mind if I need to write and populate a static array with the filenames fixed but I'm just a bit lost at how to do that in whatever alien language that is written in.

Last edited by Wishy; 22/10/2010 11:38. Reason: Preef Roading

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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1118711
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Blimey! shocked don't want much do you?

It's doable, but I'm tired and had a beer or two, so I'll look at this tomorrow.

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Not an area I've dabbled with - but I'd be inclined not to mess around with a boot script (which apart from anything else, should be root-owned) but rather a small script to rename the image of the day as the image your boot script displays.

Less chance of killing your login by accident that way, I think...


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: barnacle] #1118811
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Cheers, I wasn't sure how big a job that request was. laugh I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to start having a look at it at 1.30am!

With regard to the boot script, would it be better to write something into grub_background.sh instead or would that pretty much equate to the same thing?


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Can you post up the results to the following commands:

lspci -v
sudo lshw
lsmod

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Okey Dokey

lspci -v provides too much output to post here (forum software shows up a blank post), I'll pop it in a file. If you wouldn't mind pm'ing me an email address I'll send it over.

Sorry Newbie alert. sudo lshw provides more output than I can capture in the terminal so I'll work out how to direct it to file instead and postemail it later.

lsmod
Click to reveal..
Module Size Used by
binfmt_misc 7960 1
ppdev 6375 0
snd_hda_codec_via 33207 0
pl2303 17918 0
usbserial 39131 1 pl2303
psmouse 64576 0
snd_hda_intel 25773 1
serio_raw 4918 0
fbcon 39270 71
tileblit 2487 1 fbcon
font 8053 1 fbcon
bitblit 5811 1 fbcon
softcursor 1565 1 bitblit
snd_hda_codec 85759 2 snd_hda_codec_via,snd_hda_intel
snd_hwdep 6924 1 snd_hda_codec
snd_pcm_oss 41394 0
snd_mixer_oss 16299 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 87946 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_seq_dummy 1782 0
snd_seq_oss 31191 0
snd_seq_midi 5829 0
snd_rawmidi 23420 1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 7267 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
snd_seq 57481 6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer 23649 2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 6888 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
asus_atk0110 10033 0
snd 71251 13 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
edac_core 45423 0
edac_mce_amd 9278 0
nvidia 10832442 46
vga16fb 12757 1
vgastate 9857 1 vga16fb
soundcore 8052 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 8500 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
i2c_piix4 9639 0
xhci 41830 0
lp 9336 0
parport 37160 2 ppdev,lp
usbhid 41084 0
hid 83472 1 usbhid
usb_storage 49961 0
pata_jmicron 2747 0
r8169 39650 0
mii 5237 1 r8169
pata_atiixp 4209 0
ahci 37870 4

Last edited by Wishy; 22/10/2010 16:56.

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OK use the following commands:

lspci -v > lspci.text
lshw > lshw.text

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Winging their way to you now thanks. laugh


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What's the output from:

aplay -l

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Sorry for the delay, I've been on that *other* operating system tonight as I needed Photoshop.

aplay -l gives
Code:
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: HDA Generic [HDA Generic]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


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Damn! - I can see nothing anywhere that would indicate a problem.

If you go into System...Preferences...Sound

Under the Devices tab, you should be presented with 3 playback systems: Sound Events; Music & Movies; Audio Conferencing.

Next to the Sound Events there's a dropdown menu and a test button (normally set to autodetect).
Test all of the options and let me know if any work.

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I must say that my system > preferences > sound dialog box looks a fair bit different.

click to enlarge

I'm using 64bit Ubuntu 10.04 if that's what the difference is. There isn't a test button but all the mute options are switched off and I have a sound card listed in the hardware section.


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So it is...

It looks like the bit I'm looking for might be under hardware, or possible output.

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Have a look under the hardware tab. On mine (64-bit) I have the option for either internal audio or HDMI audio - if I select HDMI that's where it goes, and the speakers on the laptop go quiet.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: barnacle] #1120218
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Cheers for the continued support, I'll have a look tomorrow as I've been on that *other* OS again tonight and it's now time to sit down away from a computer somewhere.

FWIW I'm getting on much better with Gimp nowadays for simple stuff but if loads of layers are involved still come running back to Photoshop (like tonight).


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My choices in the hardware tab are (all under internal audio)

Off
Analog Stereo Input
Anallog Stereo Output
Analog Stereo Duplex

None of them seem to make any difference (except Off).

Last edited by Wishy; 25/10/2010 22:08.

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Ok, on mine, there's one box with 'choose a device to configure' which contains icons for the internal audio and for the RV710/730 HDMI player, and there's a dropdown below them which has the same choices (and a couple more) - selected for internal audio, profile is analog stereo duplex.

On the output audio tab, there's a radio button to select internal audio.

It's not muted is it?


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: barnacle] #1120818
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Sound similar except the only option in my hardware tab is the internal audio. I'm starting to think that this option has nothing to do with my actual sound card. No other hardware option is listed.

For out I just have internal audio analog stereo selected with a radio button as there are no other options. Nothing is muted.

I may try a reinstall if I get time soon as I don't really have any apps installed so set up is pretty pain free.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1156951
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FWIW I tried a couple of re-installs, a 64 bit one and a 32 bit one and neither fix my lack of sound.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1218260
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I'm now at a stage in my life where I have time to look at the lack of sound further. What I don't have is any idea of what to try next.

FWIW I've put up this thread on the Ubuntu forums in the vain hope that posting to the official home of Ubuntu would garner a greater response than posting Ubuntu questions on an unrelated single model car forum. Looking at the responses so far it seems that I was wrong to have such hope. laugh

I do like this place I does.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1218270
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yipee

Turned out to be as simple as this.

I have no idea of what
Code:
sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic
actually does but it worked.

I now has sound.


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Re: Dual boot/Linux install help required [Re: Wishy] #1218286
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Yay! And free of charge, too!


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