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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #887629
23/08/2009 15:40
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Update.
With the new Eibach springs the car is too hard with the Osravs set at hardest. Despite a mate telling me the "bounce" was due to shocks set too soft this was the exact opposite! If I hit a dip, because the damping is rock hard I literally get thrown out of my seat!!
I have now softened the fronts to half way and the car feels more compliant, with no detriment to handling (don't forget it's the springs that stop the car leaning). As I can't adjust the rears they are still set at hard and frankly rock hard. Definitely not suitable for the road at all (and I like a sporty ride!)
I will visit L&M this week and get the rear softened as that is the way to go. I will try fully soft and then at least I will have experienced both extremes.

The Osravs came with my car so when sorted they should be good but frankly if I was starting from scratch I would not buy them as the access of the rear is downright stupid and there is next to no support or knowledge for this product by uk garages. Relying on one small garage, Zagato, is too limiting (they seem only to have one guy!) and so far it's been difficult to get a timely response. As for contacting Osram Italy.... frown

I'll post again when rears adjusted.
Cheers all.

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Don't go fully soft on the rear Mark, I remember trying that with mine. The rear was banging off the bump stops with the damper having no control over the spring, about half way would be nice if I remember correctly.

It's a shame a spring company can't make a shorter but only slightly uprated spring, say 15% instead of the standard 30% uprated.

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Thanks Jim, useful input.
It was still too hard before we did them this time, so will go all the way to fully soft then wind them back a bit.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #888035
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Originally Posted By: addict
Thanks Jim, useful input.
It was still too hard before we did them this time, so will go all the way to fully soft then wind them back a bit.


When you say "it was still too hard" you mean that you were you running them at half hard settings?

They have 20 clicks from softest to hardest right? I'm asking this because I'm considering swapping my billies for osrav's

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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #888232
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Nelson,
Not sure if they were half way, but they were a few turns softer than now. That's why I'm going to set them near softest to see the other extreme.
I'll let you all know after I see my garage later this week.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #890559
28/08/2009 23:00
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Well, my Osravs have been softened:
Rears taken all the way down to soft then back 2/22 clicks = 10% hard; and fronts made soft then back 2 turns (2/4.5) = 40% hard, although I can experiment with the fronts myself.

Gone is the kick in the butt when hitting a dip in the road. The car is still rock hard according to my wife, but for me its good.

Conclusion: Sporty hard but soaks up the bumps well enough. If you combine Osravs plus Eibachs, for the road keep the Osravs soft.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #890567
28/08/2009 23:21
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Looks like your nearly sorted.
It will be interesting to see how your ride and settings compare to mine on standard springs.
Its just a matter of waiting for them to arrive from Italy now.
It would be nice to set it up and have a good blast before I put her away for winter!


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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: sandytim] #890607
29/08/2009 06:02
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I ordered mine today, KGA + Eibachs.

Hope them to be here in a week or two... how long did yall wait between order-arrivement?

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: Jimbo] #890846
29/08/2009 20:57
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Don't go fully soft on the rear Mark, I remember trying that with mine. The rear was banging off the bump stops with the damper having no control over the spring, about half way would be nice if I remember correctly.

It's a shame a spring company can't make a shorter but only slightly uprated spring, say 15% instead of the standard 30% uprated.


I wish! That would be ideal for me, I find my Eibachs too hard, standard too soft!

Group buy maybe?


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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #890904
29/08/2009 23:39
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There are other spring makers:
H&R
Bilstein
both well reputed.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #891499
31/08/2009 11:57
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I have driven the car a couple of hundred miles now and played with the settings. I left the rears at softest less 10% as the garage set them, and have now experimented with softest setting at the front and brought them back to 1.5/5.5 = 27% hard which seems optimum for the road.

Cornering is excellent with no roll as we all know the Eibachs are stiff. I'd say the car feels a little heavier steering when at softest but lighter at 27%. Feels very sporty and corners hard and fast. It doesn't break traction though, except when road is wet.

The bouncing and crashing is so much better than it was, although its still a very stiff ride.

As I said, the reason I put the Eibachs on was visually to lower the car, my previous ride was as good. I've a hunch they were Osrav springs and a little better suited but the car sat higher. Now I've played with the setting its all pretty sorted now.

My only concern is how the car will perform on undulating fast roads, as to how the car will keep contact with the tarmac or dip and jump? I'll let you know once I've followed my friends in their 911's!

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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #901179
16/09/2009 21:51
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Anyone here drove the coupe with KGA's + std springs? I don't mind the car being not lowered. I would like to keep a little comfort with the car, it will never see the track anyways.

If there's anyone with this experience, please post it up!

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #901200
16/09/2009 22:47
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A coupe on eibachs keeping up with a 911 on bumpy roads? Hmmmmm!

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #901482
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Originally Posted By: jonone
A coupe on eibachs keeping up with a 911 on bumpy roads? Hmmmmm!


Yes indeed. I owned a 911 turbo prior to buying this coupe and believe me this coupe is VERY quick and handles surprisingly well too. In our convoy to Gaydon was a 911 turbo, a new 500 Abarth SS, a F360 and an F355. The Abarth was allowed to lead the way at a cracking pace on the twisties, and on the straight I had no trouble opening up a gap from the 355 and keeping up with the others. (Of course at very high speeds it would be a different matter.)

So its official, Osravs with Eibachs are now sorted!

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #904456
22/09/2009 22:37
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Had a chat with Clive at Zagato yesterday and the delivery of osrav shocks is due in on Friday.
Because of the intrest from owners they are now making the coupe shocks stock items.
So no more waiting in the future they'll be off the shelf items.
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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: sandytim] #904500
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911´s are slow.

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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: sandytim] #904517
23/09/2009 01:10
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Originally Posted By: sandytim
Had a chat with Clive at Zagato yesterday and the delivery of osrav shocks is due in on Friday.
Because of the intrest from owners they are now making the coupe shocks stock items.
So no more waiting in the future they'll be off the shelf items.
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Sweet! That means mine will be in Friday as well smile

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: Per] #905119
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Originally Posted By: Per
911´s are slow.

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No, not really. If you drive them right.

And I was talking about the turbo, very fast in any vintage.

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EDIT: offtopic

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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #905198
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911´s are slow.

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No, not really. If you drive them right.

And I was talking about the turbo, very fast in any vintage.

You're probably right, it's just most owners don't seem to drive them as they should. smile

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Hey Martijn,
Let us know when your new Osravs are fitted.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #905280
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Hey Mate,

Yeah i will, they will come in this Friday. In holland the Eibachs are out of stock, so i will ask Alternative Auto's if they can still get them for the 16VT. I asked a around a little for Apex but that seems to be a no-go. Osrav springs currently are not in stock in Italy, and nobody knows when the new batch will come in. So... i talked this setup over with Saint from NZ, who also runs osrav/eibach on a 16VT and decided on this combo.

It will probably be on the car around 8th of october.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #909047
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I got my Eibachs in, as well as my OSRAV. Both came in today. The OSRAV say KGA 379-> 20V TURBO COUPE FIAT.

Errr... Right, 20V Turbo, i have a 16V Turbo.

anyone with a 16VT got a set? Saint, with his 16VT, thought he had 20VT shocks as well, he will double check tho.

Oh well, everything will be mounted october 8th.... I cant wait!

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: ] #909932
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Does anybody happen to know if these are only available as part of a full kit, or available individually? I think I'll be needing a new set of rears and these could very well fit the bill.


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Matt, I'll buy some fronts if you want to split a kit ?

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: Jimbo] #909968
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Sure thing Jimbo - we're talking adjustables yes?


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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: mattB] #909980
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I wouldn't have it any other way Matt, the KGA is the model we are after I believe.

Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: Jimbo] #910305
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At the risk of spannering Jimbo's attempt at getting some front Osravs....

mattB - I have some secondhand Osrav rear shocks - they used to be Jimbo's, who took them off when he thought they were defective - turned out they weren't, and I've had them in my shed ever since.

I have no idea how well they work (also no reason to suspect they don't work just fine)

Make me an offer I can't refuse wink


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Re: OSRAV KGA Dampers [Re: Nigel] #910383
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i need new spring and dampers and like the sound of there,but wondering for the extra £300 or so im i better going for the gaz coil overs just didnt know how much better the coil over would be

any advise would be great

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The Gaz kit is height adjustable, easier to adjust the damping and allows you to fit any number of different spring rates to tailor them to your needs.

The osrav's are fixed height so you will need an eibach spring to lower the car, this already takes your price nearer the Gaz kit. The front osrav's are simple to adjust but the rears require the damper dropping out.

Both dampers adjust bump and rebound at the same time both will improve the car but the Gaz kit probably more so.

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