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"Remote" mapping - Flea strikes again #842905
03/06/2009 10:57
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In the words of Borat: Success!!

Just put in a fairly good guessed chip from Flea based on his experience of GT28R Coupe's, and RR-results with my new GT28R and Novitec chip (which was not very good: 1.2bar max, around 240hp @ the wheels and wet mixture all the way on boost).

First impression was a little funny, during running-in with max boost flucturating between 0.8bar and 1.4. It did however settle soon after 5-6 floorings..

Now it hits a stable 1.3bar however I floor it, and it still holds 1.15bar @ 6000rpm.. If I read right, everything's pretty fussy at full steam..

The next RR-session's coming up and maybe some adjustments, the chip is reprogrammable.

It goes like a rocket already though!
I too join the Flea fanclub. smile

Other mods:
Garrett GT28R, matched to manifold
Matched manifold to head
New EBV: GM/Adelco (std Bosch Motronic boostcontrol)
FMIC (Raceitaly), flowprepped *new*
Custom FMIC short piping with heat protection *new*
Larger IC-intake in bumper
Forge DV006, green spring
Modded airfilterbox, 4" trumpet (std paper filter)
NGK BKR7EIX-iridium plugs, 0.9mm gap *new* changed to 0.7mm *newer*
Direct cable fuelpump
By-passed throttlehouse heating
Mobil1 5W-50 oil

Gearbox:
Castrol TAF-X fully synth oil
Alfa GTA clutch *new*

Exaust:
Fully custom stainless
3" downpipe
3" 300-cells metal cat
Double lambdaplugs
2.5" from cat
Double large full flow silencers

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Per] #843031
03/06/2009 15:01
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Per was a non-believer at first but as they say, proof of the mapping is in the boosting wink


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Flea] #843032
03/06/2009 15:05
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That's a misunderstanding, I've believed in your business all along. smile

I just could'nt get why my car behaved like it did after swapping turbo and I did'nt understand your explanation.
Looking back at it I still not fully understand but you were certainly right!

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Per] #843063
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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Per] #843081
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Originally Posted By: Per
Just put in a fairly good guessed chip from Flea...


Guessed is Swedish for very clever tongue

So are you happy with 1.3bar holding 1.2bar, I didn't feel like taking it much further with your Pace sidemount.


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Flea] #843087
03/06/2009 16:51
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For now yes, I'd like to know my inlet temps next week. If there is room for more boost why not, right? I still have all the safety features of the Motronic.

If the temps seem high I'm going FMIC right away.

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Per] #843096
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Nice work Flea when my GTiR turbo goes on and FMIC I'll DEFINITELY be wanting it live mapped by yourself smile "Stage 2" as you mention on your site smile

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Congratulations Per, let us know about the results when you take for another RR smile

Good job Flea. I'm looking forward for my remote mapping wink

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843138
03/06/2009 18:35
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Not sure if most people know, but Per is running an uprated GM EBV so the boost is controlled via the ecu.

Didi, yes GTi-R is a stage 2 smile

Hani, whenever you are ready wink


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Flea] #843140
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uprated GM EBV what is it,and being that your so far away for me,how dose the remote mapping work


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: cowboy] #843476
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The GM ebv is a replacement for the standard coupe ebv. It works better at controlling boost, especially overboost and eliminating the see-saw effect. If you don't want to run a PRV or EBC, then this is the best way for controlling the boost. It also retains the ecu safety function which reduces the boost threshold according to inlet temperatures.


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Flea] #843496
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I'm also curious as to how this remote mapping works

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843524
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I'm guessing it's the following:

You tell flea your engine spec
Flea creates chip suitable to your mods
Flea send chip to you
You put chip in and get it on the RR
You tell flea RR results (power, AFR)
Flea makes minor adjustments on the chip and sends you a new chip (providing the AFR is incorrect)


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Begbie] #843584
04/06/2009 12:22
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Correctomundo!
It's a reprogrammable chip tho. Or is the cost of the chip less than the shipping, Leighton?

Morewise; I've been driving some more and I have to say it's also more driveable than before, responsive, smoother and earlier boost. I'll make a 2x500km trip this weekend and see how that goes.

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Per] #843587
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I assume you are running a safe/standard ignition map unless flea can hear det from Sweden laugh

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843608
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Standard no, safe yes... wink


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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843613
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Originally Posted By: DidCoop
Nice work Flea when my GTiR turbo goes on and FMIC I'll DEFINITELY be wanting it live mapped by yourself smile "Stage 2" as you mention on your site smile


I had my hybrid fitted a couple of weeks ago by Rog at pwoeritalia along with a GTEC1 then fitted my FMIC last weekend and it felt considerably quicker with those mods. However after being mapped by Flea yesterday it has totally transformed the car. The driveability just feels so much better and FCCUK is it quick now. If you're adding mods and expect them to work on their own think again, go get a Flea map!

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Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843634
04/06/2009 13:20
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might sound like a stupid question, but if remoting mapping is the way forward, what is the current benifit from traveling down to flea's workshop (apart from being able to stare at the wonders of flea)

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843647
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Good question Karl smile

Maybe someone from UK shall try the remote mapping and then go to Flea for another mapping and compare the results to see the difference.

I think for remote mapping, Flea is considering safety more and more.

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843653
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Originally Posted By: karl_20VT
might sound like a stupid question, but if remoting mapping is the way forward, what is the current benifit from traveling down to flea's workshop (apart from being able to stare at the wonders of flea)


Time, id imagine. If you get it remote mapped you'll have to wait for the map to be written, then the time it takes to receive it, then a RR session, ad infinatum until the results are correct.

Anyway after seeing the work Flea does quite how anyone wouldnt want to drive it the same day its done baffles me, i personally couldnt bare the suspense...and it wasnt even on my car!

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843662
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remote mapping is all well and good, but no substitute for mapping the actual car. Flea would have to use a chip that he has done for a car with similar spec, and there will be variences from car to car - hence the need for a rolling road check and revision of the map (which still involves travelling time.) I would only consider it as an option if you are not in the UK.

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100% agree, well worth the 6 hours of driving to get done. And the drive home was worth it alone (had to pull into the services to calm myself down a bit at one point!)

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843679
04/06/2009 14:54
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Agreed, if I was in UK I definately would've done it live!

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843688
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Originally Posted By: suba
remote mapping is all well and good, but no substitute for mapping the actual car. Flea would have to use a chip that he has done for a car with similar spec, and there will be variences from car to car - hence the need for a rolling road check and revision of the map (which still involves travelling time.) I would only consider it as an option if you are not in the UK.


fair point, well put.

Just need to not be so lazy sometimes smile

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843691
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so does this chip replace the GTEC1 chip location?

Also i'm still wondering how a custom chip works with an EBC ?? surely flea's chip is telling the ECU to do one thing and the EBC is trying to control another, i just don't understand banghead lol.

I'm really interested and just want to learn, i will have to get done to flea's and have a good old chin wag (obviously whilst the car is being set up)

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843704
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With a mapped chip you don't need any external extra boostcontroller.

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: Per] #843708
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Originally Posted By: Per
With a mapped chip you don't need any external extra boostcontroller.


but the standard EBV isn't capable of holding boost properly ??? hence why i am currently running a Armval PRV.

I've bought a HKS EBC for when the new turbo is installed, are you saying that I would be better off running the PRV instead of an EBC ?

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depends - if you run the standard ebv then I think you do. If you run an uprated one then maybe not...

Re: Remote mapping, Flea strikes again [Re: ] #843739
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After changing to GT28R, the std EBV worked almost as good on mine (the problem really seem to be in the combination with small std turbo). The GM/Adelco was just that little more stable as I remember it.

IMHO I cannot see why anybody would like to use a Armval/PRV/ApexiContoller or whatever when you can have a good mapping from Flea.

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one good advantage with an EBC is that you can have different boost levels . I really wouldn't fancy driving around with the highest boost setting all the time.

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