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Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Theresa] #883437
15/08/2009 01:35
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Originally Posted By: Theresa
Originally Posted By: Bigtop
So can someone show me a sprint blue with a full zender kit on, and an le kit so i can see the difference please.


Bigtop, when I get home later, I'll post a picture of mine up for you.

Mine's a Sprinty, with black wheels and Zender body kit, so should give you a very good idea what yours would look like smile


As it is now:

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When I tried a Zender spoiler on it, but eventually decided I wasn't keen on it:

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I think Freddans spoiler above suits the Coupe very well cool

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Theresa] #883495
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Yes, thats the one

i love the look of the zender kit in sprint blue, and i think your right about the spoiler.

CC is doing a deal at the mo, but its easier for me to buy the kit first i think, and then sort fitting/spraying later.

where is the best place to buy the sides and lips?

and does it make much difference to insure?

cheers

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #883498
15/08/2009 10:57
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I bought my Zender kit from Steve at Alternative Autos, but it was the full body kit and was about 3 years ago, so am unsure if he still sells them and if he'd split the kit.

Not sure about the insurance either tbh, as it was only insured for a few weeks without a kit and I crashed it and changed insurance in between, all about 3 years ago, so hard to say what the difference is in cost.

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #883527
15/08/2009 13:11
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Originally Posted By: Bigtop


where is the best place to buy the sides and lips?




www.autods.net (mariusz on here)

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #883543
15/08/2009 14:14
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so if i buy a kit, whats the going rate for getting it sprayed and fitted to my coupe more or less?

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Freddan72] #883588
15/08/2009 17:05
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Here's another opinion:
Whilst I prefer the original lines of the coupe (mine is colour coded non LE) I think the LE kit is a well designed ADDITION to the original design. The lines complement and blend with the Bangle slashes.

If I was to add a rear spoiler, personally I would add the aggressive one that Sprintsteve & PaulW posted. I don't see the point of adding the subtle M style ones.

Concerning the aggressive one, if you look at it, is in in fact VERY well designed and extends from the original shape in several aspects. It could have been designed by the same talented person who did the LE kit!

Finally, I like black wheels, especially the satin black.
PS: btw, I was at Silverstone today watching the Lambo Trophy and they ALL had satin black wheels, and very large spoilers front and back...Beautiful ;-)

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #883626
15/08/2009 18:59
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Originally Posted By: addict
Here's another opinion:
If I was to add a rear spoiler, personally I would add the aggressive one that Sprintsteve & PaulW posted. I don't see the point of adding the subtle M style ones.

The point is (good enough for me) reducing lift forces at the back (together with my diffusor) at speed. This enhances both grip and reduces the total drag.

Some of you may say "impossible to know without windtunnel!" but it's actually quite simple basic aerodynamics. What's tricky to know is HOW many kg's of downforce I get.. wink
This is why so many "three-box-bodies" share the same sort of rear spoiler; Audi RS4, Merc C-class AMG, BMW M-series... It works the same way.

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Freddan72] #883643
15/08/2009 19:37
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Not Zender but Cada .... few more pics of mine in case it appeals -

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Body kits, spoilers not everyones cup of tea, as we know, but for now I kinda like it.

If I get bored in the future I can always put back the original parts (safely stored in my loft) and pretend it was never otherwise wink


Paul W.

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Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: paulw] #883664
15/08/2009 20:25
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ye im thinking about a zender kit, but with the cada grill, and then maybe a m3 spoiler.

also theres a couple of LE kits on ebay for £99 plus delivery

prefare the zender kit tho...

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Freddan72] #883757
16/08/2009 00:48
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Original accessories from FIAT:

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Here it is on my car smile

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sorry to hijack are the optional extras still available?

and i like the Zender and Cada rear spoiler

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #884466
17/08/2009 16:01
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Don't listen to any of them.

I got just what you need laugh

My old spoiler for free laugh laugh laugh

http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=69796&Number=848703#Post848703

obviously there is a reason i took it off but you never know. Its still in my shed for some reason.

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #884477
17/08/2009 16:11
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karl if i am honest it looks bad but i am sure someone would want to see what differance it made on a trackday if it cost nothing?

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #884544
17/08/2009 17:55
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all you need with that is some three spoke alloys!

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #884874
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Originally Posted By: peanuthead
i am sure someone would want to see what differance it made on a trackday if it cost nothing?



None... I think the last thing an understeering car needs is downforce at the rear, why not fit it to the bonnet idea

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Jimbo] #884877
18/08/2009 10:08
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"None... I think the last thing an understeering car needs is downforce at the rear, why not fit it to the bonnet
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:)) Had me in stitches!!

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Jimbo] #885123
18/08/2009 16:39
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
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i am sure someone would want to see what differance it made on a trackday if it cost nothing?



None... I think the last thing an understeering car needs is downforce at the rear, why not fit it to the bonnet idea


The BMW M-copy will lower some drag as long as there is some lift at the back of the Coupe, which I think we can safely presume.

Say a Sparco strutbrace does 0.2sec to a laptime, then this spoiler does another 0.2sec. Or something. smile

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Per] #885227
18/08/2009 20:00
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My understanding is rear spoilers are generally to assist in two ways:
1. to produce more downforce at speed, and
2. to give stability against cross winds (usally in co-ordination with front spoilers)
(and maybe 3, to make the car look mean!)

Having driven 911's with major 'wings' (often referred to as whale-tails) I can confirm that they are needed. Some of the older models do not have the rear spoilers originally or people remove them to make the lines more pure. They then admit to loss of stability. The spoilers are more important still as you will know that the (older) 911's are quite upright with the 911 headlights and windscreen rake and therefore not very aerodynamic.

On the flipside, my understanding is the coupe is very well designed aerodynamically (ahead of its time?) with the slanted front headlights. I would also guess that the designers left the rear 'square' as this acts as a spoiler effect creating sufficient downforce.

Additionally, the 911 downforce adds traction to the rear wheels and the weight bias at the back. Not needed on the Fiat (we return to Jimbos observation, ha ha!)

On a personal level, I have never been un-nerved by the Fiat in cross-winds or at speed. Maybe the track-day addicts on this site can add their experience...

Per, if you like your BMW style spoiler then that's fine, your choice, but I don't think the 'downforce' argument holds much water. And even if it did, the larger wing would probably be more effective.

All IMHO.

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #885247
18/08/2009 20:31
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In all Honesty I dont think that aerodynamics were foremost in Mr. Bangle's mind when he designed the coupe - he just seems to have managed it as a by product of making the car look good.

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #885256
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Originally Posted By: addict

Per, if you like your BMW style spoiler then that's fine, your choice, but I don't think the 'downforce' argument holds much water. And even if it did, the larger wing would probably be more effective.
All IMHO.

Together with my diffusor it should make a small difference according to basic aerodynamic laws. A larger wing would be a too big abstraction to the airflow in itself I think.

There's probably a reason why so many carmakers have a similar spoiler on their higher spec cars, small spoilers you wouldn't even notice if not pointed out. smile

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #886177
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Originally Posted By: suba
In all Honesty I dont think that aerodynamics were foremost in Mr. Bangle's mind when he designed the coupe - he just seems to have managed it as a by product of making the car look good.


From what I remember, the whole rear end of the coupe was redesigned from the original drawings due to aerodynamics. I think they were getting too much lift from the original so thats why we ended up with the rear end that looks like they took the plasticine mold and a cheese wire to design smile

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Jimbo] #886185
20/08/2009 10:22
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...You learn something new everyday. smile So it was designed for looks, then changed as the back kept popping up I guess. laugh

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #886189
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I actually prefer how it looks now from the original Si, I'll try and find the link to the coupe design web page.

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Jimbo] #886192
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Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: Jimbo] #886193
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Nice to look at that - thanks, and I agree with you. smile

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #886222
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Does that top pic from 1990 look like a Volvo C90 from behind?

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #886267
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what a minger

Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: ] #886332
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Did you see the modified mutant linked from that site?

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Don't worry, it's not OT because it is also another example of a tasty spoiler.

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Note the paintwork matches the clean lines they produced with the body kit.

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Re: Spoiler for coupe [Re: JKD] #886773
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Doesn't it just smile Shame they didn't carry on with that.

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