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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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10/11/2017 08:12
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Mark_S
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Yes was done years ago. You could try the search engine to find old threads?
Actually might have been on Nigel's car; he is still around on here.
Last edited by Mark_S; 10/11/2017 08:13. Reason: memory working slow
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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10/11/2017 10:35
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GrahamL and I had the Pace Chargecooler kit years ago, there were several others who had it too who are still around today. You might need to look back through the "old" forum to find more info, make sure the left column is enabled in My Stuff...Edit Preferences and click on "Old Forum BACK" then follow the links to the saved versions and try the Search function. It should keep you happy for hours...
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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10/11/2017 16:43
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Unless you're aiming for no more than 280bhp or so and can get a used Pace chargecooler kit relatively cheap (they do appear on here occasionally), I wouldn't bother. For 300bhp+ a big front mount intercooler is better and cheaper.
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
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10/11/2017 16:54
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Mark_S
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Hang on, I think the OP is talking about water charge cooling and hence we are talking Aquamist, are we not?
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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10/11/2017 18:10
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The problem is that the radiator that cools the circulating water is usually small so that not much cooling is done. Also the higher heat capacity of water compared to air means that once it gets hot, the water is slower to cool down compared to air, which is when you really need the maximum cooling. As GrahamL says, a large front mount intercooler (air/air, same as existing side mount, just a lot bigger) is better.
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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10/11/2017 23:27
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The pic links are broken in the Pace chargecooler install "how to" so here are some to give you an idea: The pump is gravity fed so needs to be at the lowest point in the water circuit, so you'll struggle to find a spot if you put the chargecooler itself where the standard intercooler is. Also, on the coupe the chargecooler is normally run in series with a sidemount intercooler (either the standard one or the uprated Pace side mount or clone) as there isn't space for a big one, so the pump would normally go at front right as shown in the above pics. "Fastedd" on the old forum was the only one I remember fitting a chargecooler without an intercooler but he went for a custom double width unit and moved the battery to the boot to make space for it. That system worked for him pretty well. I thought I had some pics of that but can't find them now. I also had a slightly different chargecooler system on my current coupe (Pace chargecooler, bigger Bosch pump + bigger Range Rover oil cooler as chargecooler radiator, mounted where FMIC would normally go), but it was too restrictive at high revs so I replaced it with a FMIC. Bosch pump was too big for the normal spot so ended up here, at side of uprated side mount intercooler: And the Range Rover oil cooler as c/c radiator: There were 2 different Pace chargecoolers, but the first one was slightly too tall and ended up rubbing on the top of thermostat so they changed to a smaller version : Problem was, the bigger one was more free flowing: and the smaller one was too restricted with anything other than the standard turbo, even a hybrid is restricted at high revs :
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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11/11/2017 20:30
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An adequately sized chargecooler can't cool any more than an adequately sized intercooler. The only real reason to choose a charge cooler over an intercooler is for packaging reasons, ie. there isn't enough space at the front of the car for an adequately sized intercooler. Other than that, it just adds cost, potential reliability issues and significant complexity (radiator, cooler, coolant tank, pump, wiring, air pipework, coolant pipework). The Coupe has a tonne of space behind the front bumper for adequately sized intercoolers! The pics below are of my old 400-odd bhp Coupe with an aftermarket Evo intercooler fitted
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: kj16v]
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13/11/2017 17:51
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Pace looked nice under the hood for circa 290hp...
After that...
FMIC.
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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19/11/2017 08:10
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I had the L&M charge cooler fitted to my coupé years ago. Found to be restrictive if you plan for 300bhp +. Ended up removing and getting aquamist water injection.
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: DaveG]
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19/11/2017 11:57
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GrahamL and I had the Pace Chargecooler kit years ago, there were several others who had it too who are still around today. You might need to look back through the "old" forum to find more info, make sure the left column is enabled in My Stuff...Edit Preferences and click on "Old Forum BACK" then follow the links to the saved versions and try the Search function. It should keep you happy for hours... The old forum links don’t seem to work anymore.
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Re: Water Charge cooling on a coupe thoughts
[Re: leighgreen]
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19/11/2017 12:09
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DaveG
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It was OK a week ago, better get on to Kayjey...
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