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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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10/08/2012 10:14
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You're some kind of doughnut Marco!!!
YOU guessed 362 bhp....... So you've won the chance to send me the catch tank! Lol
Scuderia turbo is stock intergrale evo 1 t35 with .63ar turbine housing & measly stage 1 wheel!!
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368bhp @ 1.5 bar
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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10/08/2012 10:36
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Although, looking back at your inital result, I'm quite surprised at the torque level for the boost used?
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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10/08/2012 11:13
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YOU guessed 362 bhp....... So you've won the chance to send me the catch tank! Lol I said 380 - and Flea hasn't finished yet!
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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11/08/2012 00:37
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Finally!
Well done, enjoy.
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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11/08/2012 13:36
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Cheers bid..... Hopefully going to collect within a week or so.... Once Flea's squeezed so more horses out of her!!
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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I think your right saint where the peak power is concerned, at 367 we're right on the money for that turbo..... I think we could get a little more boost than we were getting as i've been doing a bit of research and it seems my turbo is near identical to big turbo escort cossie, found this cossie tuning site ... http://www.motorsport-developments.co.uk/rs_cosworth_tuning_packages.htmlIt seems for 340+ they seem to get boost to hold 1.6 at redline & for 380+ boost peaks at 33 psi and tails off slowly.....!! I don't want to run anywhere near 33 psi... But I was thinking 2 bar, then holding 1.5/1.4 @ redline would be attainable?? I understand cossies and fiat coupe 16v's are different cars but after all they are both 2 litre with same CR @ 8:1 so unless the cossie block is Known tobe much stronger than our 16v's, I don't see the problem running 2 bar of boost ( feable amount compared to most tuned cosworths), and I'm not going be doing any track days, maybe the odd one lap blast somewhere though!! Nick
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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16/08/2012 22:04
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Well the plan was to always run some MANLY Boost, hence the larger map sensor.... And flea seems to think that his findings using manual valve seem to suggest the turbo is still working within it's natural efficiency? Maybe my turbo is a FREAK..... Maybe the peak power will not increase?? At a steady 1.2 bar yes the turbo may last forever, but I think I'd rather have an extra wedge of torque in the midrange, and risk my turbo taking early retirement! Nick
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 07:14
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The cosworth guys run theese at 2bar all day long... Think its dropping to 22-23 psi 1,5-1,6bar? At redline. Why dont you just get rid of the boost controller?
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 08:07
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Good fun :o) My guess is 406 by the way...
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 08:23
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That WOULD be nice..... It would have to be some engine to produce 406 with that turbo!! Nick
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 09:05
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Maybe my turbo is a FREAK..... Maybe the peak power will not increase?? Maybe the dyno is optimistic??
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 09:35
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You ended up with a T38 coldside right? and .63 hotside?
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 09:58
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Uhhmm i might have been well optimistic, but well see :o) Did you have a .55 housing? your mailbox is full by the way.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 12:57
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2 bar - you should have gone for a 4 bar MAP sensor, your going to run out of range when you want to run 35psi+ or so I had a similar thing back in the early days with a smaller turbo, regardless of what I set my EBC to my turbo would only hold 12psi to redline - your just running way out on the edge of the compressors abilites I'm sure Flea has told you all this but if your doing to run that tailed off 1.2bar at redline make sure your intercooling is up to it, especially for track days etc. You have made alot of turbo changes but if I recall it right,its the T04, maps to here at the arrow -365bhp at 1.2bar - thats all its got The standard TB0385 fitted to the Lancia Evo 1 has a 7 blade compressor 69mm/48.77 mm which is a 50 trim Nick's turbo has a 7 blade 69mm/52.2mm 60 trim. The TB04 S trim is an 8 blade compressor 70mm/48.35mm 48 trim, so the map you have is not correct for the turbo Nick has. I can't find a compressor map that suits Nick's compressor wheel, but I originaly asked Turbo Technics for a turbo capable of 400BHP and that is what they put together for me. Mountune confirmed to me that they were able to get 400HP from the same turbo on the Escort Cosworth Group A rally car engines. This is why my bet has been on 380BHP or better - my turbo holds 1.7bar to 7000 RPM - even if ACT temps are a bit high due to running into an area of poor efficiency on the map. At 1.4-1.5 bar that problem is reduced. Read stage 4 here Update: I have found a compressor map for the Turbo Technics T34/T35 turbo. On the right hand side it extends to 42.5lb/min at 2.5 P/R (1.5 bar boost) at 55% efficiency. At 21.9 P/R (1.9 bar boost) it gives 40lbs/min at 65% efficiency.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 12:58
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Nope! Turbo is Standard evo 1/16v intergrale cold side, and .63 hot side with standard turbine wheel!!
Nick It's not standard cold side - you have a larger compressor wheel than standard! You would know if you had a standard cold side because you would be stuck at around 310-320BHP
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 12:59
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406 it is then
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 19:13
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Well Flea discovered today that it is a dodgy solenoid preventing higher boost.... He replaced it and now the apexi will allow Upto 1.9 bar.... It stays there briefly (so not a spike as such), then returns down to 1.45 bar.... So should get a more impressive torque figure if nothing else!!???
Nick If he does the mod I suggested via PM it will hold 1.9 bar boost for longer I am sure... The solenoid simply cannot bleed off enough air otherwise, which is what causes the wastegate to open and boost to be lost.
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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17/08/2012 22:29
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The standard TB0385 fitted to the Lancia Evo 1 has a 7 blade compressor 69mm/48.77 mm which is a 50 trim Nick's turbo has a 7 blade 69mm/52.2mm 60 trim. The TB04 S trim is an 8 blade compressor 70mm/48.35mm 48 trim, so the map you have is not correct for the turbo Nick has. I'm sure, as I said I was trying to recall which compressor as there have been a few changes - the principle being to ensure the intercooling is up to the task as intake temps will be up, with compressor effcency being down We have discussed discharge temp math in the past, but if it near 50% efficeny at redline they will be up
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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18/08/2012 12:16
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Nick, what head bolts are you using?
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: Long time coming! Guess BHP?
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18/08/2012 17:38
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Running 1.9bar on std head bolts I wouldn't risk.
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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