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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993244
02/03/2010 15:41
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Well stop chatting on here then and get at it...


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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993292
02/03/2010 17:01
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I'd be on the GB!

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993295
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laugh

it will have to be on the back burner for now, ive got a heavy weekend coming up...


Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993307
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Really what are you doing...


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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993311
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Alloy bells will offer better cooling, and less chance of warping.

Have a look at your standard disk, the casting shape blocks off 50% of the air flow through the centre of the disk. An alloy belled disk will not have this problem as the disk is bolted to the bell allowing full air flow.

Alloy is also a much better conductor of heat so will cool them much quicker.

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Jimbo] #993319
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hmm so we need to look into making an alloy type to do this!

Lashe's... i think im going out with some mates.

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993335
02/03/2010 18:20
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Why you cheeky sod Marco...


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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Sedicivalvole] #993346
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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993421
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Marco - my design is already done - its been prototyped - its at Motormech - it just needs fitting and checking for clearance at full steering lock and/or full suspension travel

Its really simple - a small stainless bracket, bolted to the bottom balljoint pinchbolt (and thus it steers with the hub) and a short (200mm?) length of flexible brake ducting, down to another bracket, fastened to the front ARB droplink bottom nut

I have a feeling it will need some tweaking, but it just needs testing

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Nigel] #993442
02/03/2010 21:20
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Nigel, you have saved me the ball ache!!

Thak you!!!

interested to see it in swing!!
lets me know how you get on please!

Thanks!!

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Nigel] #993448
02/03/2010 21:32
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Sounds very interesting Nigel smile

I'm due in to Paul's on Monday ... will it be fitted by then, or will I be able to catch a gander?

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993676
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Originally Posted by dave_t
will it be fitted by then


No - its been on John's table for weeks and weeks - just haven't got round to finishing it

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Nigel] #993695
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Right then time to hassle Nigel it seems laugh


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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Sedicivalvole] #993731
03/03/2010 11:46
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Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993741
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how are you planning to mount them Nobby?

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #993832
03/03/2010 14:26
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Not 100% sure yet. Ive got some ally sheet that I was gonna make some mini brackets with BUT my front calipers/discs are different from the standard coupe ones so my solution might differ from Nigels

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #995483
05/03/2010 20:48
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I was looking underneath a VW GTi MarkV and this is how they cool their brakes and disc.

cooling duct 01

cooling duct 02

Last edited by smokeNfly; 05/03/2010 20:51.
Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002321
17/03/2010 12:58
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I've just ordered a set of these: (thanks MiniPit thumb )
- 0000482811 : left mounting
- 0000482810 : right mounting
- 0000482731 : left deflector
- 0000482730 : right deflector

Cost ~£24 and a couple of days waiting for the parts to arrive.

They'll not be fitted for my day at Silverstone frown but I'll let people know how I get on when I do get my hands on them smile

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002334
17/03/2010 13:30
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£24? I paid £27 cry laugh

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Kelv27] #1002335
17/03/2010 13:31
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Ahhh ... probably a VAT issue in my price laugh

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002338
17/03/2010 13:37
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I must say Citroen's service does seem to be better than Fiat's. They dropped me a text first thing in the morning when the parts arrived. Fiat in the other hand didn't even bother informing when they said they would!

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Kelv27] #1002339
17/03/2010 13:38
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Have you fitted them yet?

I was wondering whether it would be possible to alter the bracket somehow to allow it to fit onto both caliper bolts?

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002355
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Not fitted them yet Dave. Will get it done soon for next month's track day.

I'm not sure how far off the 2 bolt holes are. If its close enough then maybe abit of filing or drilling could do it..but i'm not even sure if its worth the hassle? I'm sure mounting it on a single point is strong enough. Maybe Minipit could comment on that.

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: Kelv27] #1002357
17/03/2010 14:15
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I was hoping that a bit of filing might do the trick.

I was worried that the whole thing might rotate around just a single bolt fixing (particularly with the force placed on it when doing 120+mph on track laugh )?

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002429
17/03/2010 16:22
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im going to use a secondary back up mount... Cable ties!!!

just in case it some how comes off or snaps off i will make sure they stay on the car and not in dave_t's bumper when i over take him on a track day one day!!

laugh


Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002431
17/03/2010 16:24
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Also, dave, if your willing to try some thing out, ive whipped 2 cooling ducts up with pipes going to them..
would you be willing to test them friday?

they are quick realise and really easy to fit!!

i managed to put them on and off with in 5mins per side!

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002434
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I'm more than happy to try them out, Marco smile

I've just forked out for a new set of discs ready for Friday (after wrecking my last set of DBAs), and wanted to try to prevent these being wrecked as well.

I was therefore hoping to be able to fit the Citroen air deflectors before Friday, but won't have the parts before then.

Hence anything that you have to hand that might help will be great smile And I'll make sure that your cooling set-up gets a proper test on the track evil

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002447
17/03/2010 16:48
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i dont doubt that mate!

right i will make final tweeks over the next few days and bring them with me!

Also i will get there early to fit them while your in the drivers breifing!!

(text me to remind me to bring them mate or i may forget!
and if they work and work well, you can have them!

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1002608
17/03/2010 20:21
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You have any pics of that mount Marco?
I think I'll go for a mount + hose to the front.
I'm not sure wether the Citroen piece will catch any air on my Coupe, I suspect it´s too low.

Re: Brake disc cooling... [Re: ] #1003380
18/03/2010 20:38
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the citroen ones should fit well!!

i think it would make no difference if its lower or not!?

just the draft under the car will be funneled into the vent going to the disc!

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