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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: Nigel]
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28/05/2010 07:46
28/05/2010 07:46
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AndrewR
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Beast - I can't remember if you're a biker or not Can't you, really? Let me remind you ... Beast isn't a biker. Indeed in dozens of threads he's demonstrated an almost pathological hatred of bikes and bikers. Normally when we gets going he has a little rant about bikers not obeying the rules of the road by speeding / undertaking / filtering through traffic. I'm not suggesting that he's predictable on this issue, but I suspect his replies in this thread are just cut and pasted from earlier discussions.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: AndrewR]
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28/05/2010 12:15
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beast
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Beast - I can't remember if you're a biker or not Can't you, really? Let me remind you ... Beast isn't a biker. Indeed in dozens of threads he's demonstrated an almost pathological hatred of bikes and bikers. Normally when we gets going he has a little rant about bikers not obeying the rules of the road by speeding / undertaking / filtering through traffic. I'm not suggesting that he's predictable on this issue, but I suspect his replies in this thread are just cut and pasted from earlier discussions. have i shown any hatred towards bikers in this thread(so far)?im trying to cut down i have a mate who has has an f430,a sagarris,a tuscan and im a far better driver than he is and he has done some amateur racing so honestly fella it means nothing at all
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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28/05/2010 13:17
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AndrewR
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Cut and paste failure, there.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: AndrewR]
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28/05/2010 14:30
28/05/2010 14:30
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Emjay
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If we are going to play with willies and pointy sticks, can we at least all play nicely.
Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: Emjay]
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28/05/2010 15:51
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AndrewR
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Um, we are ... aren't we? I merely assumed that, as Beast's last reply was a complete non-sequitur, he'd cut and pasted from the wrong post.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: AndrewR]
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28/05/2010 17:19
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Emjay
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Um, we are ... aren't we? I merely assumed that, as Beast's last reply was a complete non-sequitur, he'd cut and pasted from the wrong post. Then please assume, with no less conviction, that my failure to realise you were being a helpful, little bunny grieves me.
Does our law condemn a man without first hearing him to find out what he has been doing? (John 7:51)
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: Emjay]
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28/05/2010 18:57
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Wow it never fails to surprise me the arrogance of bikers when they ride like this .
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: robcoupe20vt]
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29/05/2010 16:16
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It's not arrogance in my view, just stupidity and taking a chance that they won't get caught. I've seen equal numbers of car drivers doing the same (and may, on occasion, have been guilty of some speeding - perhaps not this excessive - myself).
For what it's worth, I didn't see a lot of "dangerous" riding on that video - other than massively excessive speed, of course. That's not to say it's acceptable, of course, but let's not go crazy.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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29/05/2010 19:41
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It's not arrogance in my view, just stupidity and taking a chance that they won't get caught. I've seen equal numbers of car drivers doing the same (and may, on occasion, have been guilty of some speeding - perhaps not this excessive - myself).
For what it's worth, I didn't see a lot of "dangerous" riding on that video - other than massively excessive speed, of course. That's not to say it's acceptable, of course, but let's not go crazy. Under taking at high speed and wheelies from the roundabout pass another biker is enought for me . There will always be some idiots who drive or ride like this .
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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30/05/2010 09:24
30/05/2010 09:24
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Trappy
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He was not cruising at 140....that was peak speed. i'm not justifying it, but it that video the only person at risk was the biker himself, not a bunch of kids crossing the road outside a school. i would be far more worried if he had been overtaking doing 50 in a 30 limit pulling a wheelie down the local high street - and there are plenty of bikers that do that kind of thing, those are the ones that should end up in court. +1 I watch that video and see one Ford Focus hogging the outside lane, then another car (Renault Scenic is it?) doing the same, and finally the SAAB moves over too close to the car in front, indicating too late for my liking. Other than that, I don't see the problem. The ridiculous speed limits in this country have produced a nation of cissys when it comes to speed. Q: When was the 70 mph motorway speed limit introduced in Britain?
A: The 70 mph National Speed Limit was introduced as a temporary measure in December 1965. It is often blamed on Barbara Castle, but at the time the Minister of Transport was Tom Fraser.
The reason given was a spate of serious accidents in foggy conditions, but it is often claimed that the MoT had been alarmed by AC Cars testing their latest Cobra on the M1 at speeds up to 180 mph.
It was confirmed as a permanent limit in 1967, by which time Barbara Castle (a non-driver) had become Minister of Transport.There was surprisingly little debate at the time: the fact that the average family car of the time could only just exceed 70 mph perhaps had something to do with this. This is a limit that was introduced for cars made in the 60's for cars that were built in the 60's. NCAP ratings? ABS? Stability control? Cross ply tyres? Breaking the law, is breaking the law and should be punishable, but for god's sake, let's not spout off about dangerous driving. This guy put the hammer down twice for what, 5 seconds? This bike is built to handle 40mph more than that.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: Taff]
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30/05/2010 10:58
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Neal
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There's hardly an issue: he was exceeding the speed limit, got caught, end of story. The circumstances are immaterial; it's a binary offence. Exactly, I was agreeing with other (sensible) posts on this thread - this isn't a "bikers are a disgrace" issue, some guy was speeding. That's it.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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30/05/2010 12:04
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Kenno
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39s into that video. Look at where he drops the front wheel after pulling that wheelie. It's really close to the Focus. If the person in the Focus stood on the brakes, the Biker would have had no chance.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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31/05/2010 23:53
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I think the problem isn't so much the biker doing 140mph but the issue of undertaking and trusting other road users.
It's like today, I couldn't trust a woman in a VW POLO at 20-30mph because she was breaking randomly and going round sharp corners avoiding the curb so much, she would go over her lane and over the white lines. Image her doing this on a motorway at Kent with a biker approaching her at 140......
You also got the issue of a group of bikers/drivers following suit thinking if he can do then so can I. You then got a group of people driving all over the place and it won't be long till someone kills.
I'm not innocent on a empty part of the motorway myself sometimes I go over 70. Like many, I've witness as a passenger speeds much bigger than 140mph due to the person wanting to test there 600+ bhp machines.
I think you should reward good driving, if injuries or death is down over one year then up it 80mph then 90mph and consider 100mph but if one year we have too much wreckless driving or deaths then start reducing it with 70mph being the minimum.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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01/06/2010 10:31
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suba
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I think the problem isn't so much the biker doing 140mph but the issue of undertaking and trusting other road users.
You dont trust other road users - that's why when you overtake on a bike (or undertake for that matter) you do it quickly - it's safer!!!
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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01/06/2010 17:23
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I think the problem isn't so much the biker doing 140mph but the issue of undertaking and trusting other road users.
You dont trust other road users - that's why when you overtake on a bike (or undertake for that matter) you do it quickly - it's safer!!! Yeah but sometimes the odd driver panics and you can see this when they change lanes randomly either away from you causing an accident with another driver/biker or towards you which could knock you off or contact in a car. I'd rather not play Die Hard avoiding people at 70mph+ at the risk of getting knocked down due to someone else's stupidity
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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02/06/2010 23:12
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FreakinFreak
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I've only just seen this, but I don't think the guy would have gone to these speeds, on this occasion, if he didn't think the other (police) bike was up for it. He should have got pulled at the point he slowed down (1min, 20-ish) after that the police bike became a party to it. That would have put him at 101mph, straight ban point and no further risk to anyone on the road.
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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04/06/2010 21:50
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proccy
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yeah i agree with that tbh - why risk it?
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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10/06/2010 14:31
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Big_Mike
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There is no excuse for 140mph on our roads imo, esp when there is ANYONE else on it.
I try to be aware of my surroundings but a bike "squeezing" past me on the inside going twice my speed whilst i am overtaking another car i am not likely to be expecting. (i do not lane hog but i do keep my distance of other vehicles which includes not driving on their bumpers and pulling out in advance of overtaking them)***
I do agree middle/fast lane hoggers need to be punished too but that is another argument.
I write this totally fearful of the fact that i love speed and on dual carrageways/motorways/pretty much everywhere that isnt a built up 30 i drive over the speed limit.
I have been lucky so far but at some point my luck will probably run out. My car, even more so than my old fiat coupe, just feels so much more solid at speed, and stops so much more quickly that i feel so so confident at speed, and it is just too enjoyable to stick to 70.
BUT that doesn't mean i cant have a blowout, hit some oil or something or have a random guy pull out on me at last min if i am overtaking, or basically just make a mistake, even a good driver can make bad calls (and i am not even claiming to be a "good" driver).
i think the punishment in this instance was fair BUT the copper should be done for incitement as well. the speed would have been far less had the copper of pulled the bike at word go.
Even IF the speed limit was upped (never going to happen though i would be for it) it is never going to go anywhere even close to 140mph so to to use 70mph is a silly limit as an excuse is weak imo.
so in short, i am not going to be holier than though and accuse the biker of being a nutter and deserving what he gets, but, at the end of the day when anyone goes at that speed there is always the risk of getting caught.
***I have not seen the vid as it crashes my browser so just going on what i read here
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: AndrewR]
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12/06/2010 19:33
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beast
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Cut and paste failure, there. i dont follow
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: OO7]
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14/06/2010 12:43
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Can I see a picture of a 600kg bike please? Especially one which will do 140mph?
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
[Re: Cappo]
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18/06/2010 11:28
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Re: Biker at 140mph video = banned
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19/06/2010 00:51
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Akeme
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I think he was just unlucky, after being pillion on an R1 at 173 clicks i can understand how tempting it is to do those kinds of speeds on a bike when the roads are clear.
If anything the ban will make him too paranoid to risk his own life again in the pursuit of speed, as he was the one most at risk from other motorists at those speeds than anyone else on the road.
The only bikers i think are truly dangerous are the idiots who filter through slow moving heavy traffic at 70mph, if i hit them i have their life on my conscience and they are going to write off my car which is a particular inconvenience.
The police biker should have pulled him the minute he went over 100 instead of greatly enjoying the chance of having a blat himself.
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