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Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
#1051605
11/06/2010 22:36
11/06/2010 22:36
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Davie
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Hi guys, im sure i saw a post a long time about this but cant find it.
Was just curious as to how many people have eeked more than 350hp out of std rods and pistons and people's experience's.
Sorry if it has been covered before.
Davie
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051623
11/06/2010 23:38
11/06/2010 23:38
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I think someone on here has about 360bhp on standard internals.
Look in the FC Performance section, tells you all the cars power, bhp, torque and specs.
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051626
11/06/2010 23:45
11/06/2010 23:45
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MattM
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I run 352bhp on standard internals, i think KTM450 runs 358bhp.
Watz is running 396bhp on standard internals, and matty was running circa 430bhp - but it blew up!
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051857
12/06/2010 17:52
12/06/2010 17:52
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Davie
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Jeez 430hp! no wonder it blew up! Think that is stretching it a bit, what about Watz's 396hp, how long has it lasted and what turbo is he using at how much boos?, gt3071/gt2871?
Cheers
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051924
12/06/2010 20:20
12/06/2010 20:20
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andre333
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Would it not be better to stick to say 300 and have a safe engine that is not going to go "pop" anytime soon ?
I would say a Jap engine would be do able but not an Italian jobby.
Just a thought.
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
[Re: Gunzi]
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12/06/2010 20:57
12/06/2010 20:57
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andre333
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I think a skyline engine is just a bit stronger than a fiat block......standard.
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051955
12/06/2010 21:11
12/06/2010 21:11
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Noz
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Why would you say that? IIRC the SR20DET maxes out around the same sort of power eg ~350bhp. Nah, people have pushed well over 400bhp with stock internals on the SR. I did 383bhp@hubs on a stock, very tired 1.8 CA18DET. It's all about the mapping 
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051956
12/06/2010 21:12
12/06/2010 21:12
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Noz
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I think a skyline engine is just a bit stronger than a fiat block......standard. Skyline = 2.6 RB26DETT (silly power on standard internals) 200SX/180SX = 2.0 SR20DET.
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051982
12/06/2010 21:35
12/06/2010 21:35
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Noz
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Yeah, he's a top bloke too. Keeps well away from all the tuner-bashing & dick-swinging normally associated with the Jap tuning 'scene' (God, I hate that word)
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1051997
12/06/2010 21:54
12/06/2010 21:54
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I think a skyline engine is just a bit stronger than a fiat block......standard. Didn't JohnS go above 600 HP with a standard block?
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052013
12/06/2010 22:22
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I think a skyline engine is just a bit stronger than a fiat block......standard. Skyline = 2.6 RB26DETT (silly power on standard internals) 200SX/180SX = 2.0 SR20DET. Skyline GTST RB25DET DOHC turbo I6 This is 250 standard....put a decat and an AM air filter and you are talking well over 270. If you have ever owned one,you would know that this engine is pure bullet proof.....no matter what you throw at it. The same cannot be said of the 20vt. I love the coupe but we have to be honest here.
Last edited by andre333; 12/06/2010 22:23.
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052016
12/06/2010 22:48
12/06/2010 22:48
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Noz
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That's a 2.5 straight six mate, not really fair to compare them.
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052036
12/06/2010 23:17
12/06/2010 23:17
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andre333
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How about the 2L from the evo then ?
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052041
12/06/2010 23:34
12/06/2010 23:34
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Noz
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4G63 = One of the greatest engines ever created. Then again, so was the Cosworth YB back in the day.
You've got to understand that the R&D lavished on the Nissan RB & SR lumps, as well as the Mitsu 4G63, Toyota 1JZ & Honda VTec y0 engines is light years ahead of the that invested in the 20VT engine.
The 20VT engine is in the Fiat Coupe and what else...? The RB lumps were bullet-proof 500+bhp JTCC Godzirras back in the late 80's. Just not comparable in my eyes. I bet the 20VT is good for silly power if you get the right people working on it...
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052044
12/06/2010 23:47
12/06/2010 23:47
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Davie
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What the hell are we talking about jap motors for, got nothing to do with what this thread is about.
If you want to slag off the 20vt lump, bugger off elsewhere.
Davie
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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12/06/2010 23:53
12/06/2010 23:53
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Davie
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I got 358 HP on the last run. Jari (from Finland) got 408 HP. The air is, apparently, much better in Finland than rest of Europe The 358 you got, was that using a gtec 2 aswell? Seems an awful lot to expect from a generic chip, i wonder how much it would kick out if it was fully mapped? Jari's car is 408hp then, what spec is he running, i'm just interested in what sort of turbo and A/R if you know? How many miles has it lasted? Cheers Davie
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052052
13/06/2010 00:58
13/06/2010 00:58
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Noz
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What the hell are we talking about jap motors for, got nothing to do with what this thread is about.
If you want to slag off the 20vt lump, bugger off elsewhere.
Davie And why the hell is your post in response to mine...?
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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13/06/2010 08:12
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bridges
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Must admit the thought of mega power does not interest me so much. Here is my reasoning
well im running 300bhp and in my humble opinion the car is very well balanced, and feels very fast. She has a hybred turbo so spools early with good breathing modifications. The car has lots of usable power, having decent brakes and a full suspension kit, strut brace and new wishbones, drop links, track rod ends. anything other than motorway use I think the extra power would not be hugely noticable and be at the cost of low down pick up.
I must admit I would not even consider extra power all efforts now are on improving handling further with camber bolts and lower strut brace as this in my opinion is far more important.
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052084
13/06/2010 09:43
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I got 358 HP on the last run. Jari (from Finland) got 408 HP. The air is, apparently, much better in Finland than rest of Europe The 358 you got, was that using a gtec 2 aswell? Seems an awful lot to expect from a generic chip, i wonder how much it would kick out if it was fully mapped? Jari's car is 408hp then, what spec is he running, i'm just interested in what sort of turbo and A/R if you know? How many miles has it lasted? Cheers Davie Yes I use a Gtec 2. A live map would certainly be much better. My spec here: http://www.torquestats.com/Freddan72Jari's here: http://www.torquestats.com/Jari
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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13/06/2010 12:47
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Davie
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Must admit the thought of mega power does not interest me so much. Here is my reasoning
well im running 300bhp and in my humble opinion the car is very well balanced, and feels very fast. She has a hybred turbo so spools early with good breathing modifications. The car has lots of usable power, having decent brakes and a full suspension kit, strut brace and new wishbones, drop links, track rod ends. anything other than motorway use I think the extra power would not be hugely noticable and be at the cost of low down pick up.
I must admit I would not even consider extra power all efforts now are on improving handling further with camber bolts and lower strut brace as this in my opinion is far more important. I totally understand and im totally with you on that one, but me being me wants a little bit more as ive always enjoyed a spot of drag racing, cant shake it im afraid lol Cheers Davie
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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13/06/2010 12:53
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bridges
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Good response Davie, and I must however admit. I do every now and then, sometimes wonder, what would more power feel like. At the moment though it is under control and has not yet manifested into an itch 
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Re: Whats the highest power internally standard 20vt?
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#1052146
13/06/2010 13:17
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I thought torque is the limiting factor (and the cause of bent rods)?
So a god "linear" live map, without a huge mid-range "bulge", could enable big top-end power?
Or the std. pistons melt on high bhp engines, regardless of the torque, due to big temperatures produced burning a lot of fuel, needed for big bhp?
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