right i have locked the other thread as i have the answer to that
i now have coilovers front and rear i have a rear antiroll (22ml)not yet fitted i have the le strut brace..what would be my best way forward now? i have bravo top mounts..camber bolts ? can someone tell me where to get them and what i do with them..is there something else that would help this set up ? i have no idea when it comes to car set up ..give me a dirt bike and i can make it 10x better with just the clickers and oil thickness and levels..anyway is there something obvious that would help/compliment this set up..i know these posts get read but no one seems to want to help with advice ..i would be happy to help anyone personally however silly the question and however often it had been asked before as we are all still learning ..or is it just me that feels that way?
anyway if some wise and knowledgeable soul would impart wisdom in my direction i would be grateful..i am sure there are things the suspension savvy amongst us know little of and would sound green them selves if they were asking say advice on racing enduro..engine or suspension set up..would you not hope to be at least answered civilly...its the same when i ask about turbos and things you get that how many time do we have to say it attitude ..to me its as many as the people that ask and dont know..
rant over sorry but i feel like not only do people patronise but literally look down thier noses if you ask simple questions that have been asked many times before..these people must know everything there is to know and not need to learn anything from scratch..wow that must be mega to be so god like whilst most of us are just asking the same old silly questions again..
maybe the rant wasn't over..
some one answer my bloody questions will you ...please

and yes i have read other old threads but cant find where to get or what to do with camber bolts thats if they are even what i need!

Hi mate

from what I've read camber bolts should help with turn in if set to around -1 / -1.5deg,

POTN sell them (the guys that I got the Venair hoses from) be worth getting in touch with them.

Or if you want I can get in touch with Steve for you and see if I can get a better price?

Was thinking about getting these myself anyway.


Paul

sounds good to me..who are potn though and where do i find them? oh and thanks for the answer

site here

they are also on here with the username POTN_COM,

I'll e-mail Steve tomorrow and see what they can do for us, just checked the site and they don't have the coop kit listed but he said before that they can do them.

Paul

thanks mate appreciate the help

might be worth thinking about getting one of the seam welded front subframes that Joe (CC) doees, Patch seems to reckon they make a big improvement.

Lower strut brace? Not actually sure if it makes any difference as I fitted mine when I replaced pretty much the whole suspension.

Solid rear subframe mounts? (on my list of jobs to do)

New bearings for rear lower arms? (again on my list)

Other than that I'm not sure, I'm not exactly skilled in setting cars up, but I've been on here for years and I'm a bit of a geek for knowledge

Usually coilovers don't require camber adjusting bolts because they have slots where the strut bolts to the hub. This means you can adjust the camber by pushing the top of the hub towards the car and the 19mm bolt slides in the slot.

That's not true Matt - I would say most coilovers do not have camber or caster adjustable top mounts unless you specifically ask for them, or have them made up.

There is some decent info on this thread:

http://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1065562

Here is the BIG question. How do you want the car to behave, and what are you mainly using it for?

If you go back and read your first post on this thread it makes very hard reading as there are no paragraphs, and not too much punctuation - I got half-way through it, and was in two minds as to whether to continue, so without any hint of looking down my nose at you if you posted a bit differently you might get more replies.

Suba- i didn't mean adjustable at the top mount, i meant i think most coilovers are adjustable by the two 19mm bolts which attach the strut to the hub, at the bottom. I might still be wrong mind.

how do i want the car to behave..i just want it to behave full stop
i will mostly be on road but i will be doing track days and various other similar things,quarter miles etc..i know that one set up wont be good for everything so i would like it set for spirited driving shall we say and the ability to at least be able to thrash it round a track, when the oppertunity arises, without a disaster occuring.
I don't like it pushing the front out going into tight corners, that i would like to reduce as much as possible.
Oversteer on the other hand I don't mind although its not something normally associated with fwd my old 16vt used to move about a bit.
As for my punctuation and sentence formation ..I am not at school! but if you feel the need to correct me feel free ,I am usually rushing as I am busy and spend more time on the forum than i should. If i punctuated everything properly and tried to spell correctly use the correct tenses etc i would be here for twice as long..my original post was only a few lines and that was what i was refering to in the rant. I understand it makes reading something like the above post difficult so in the words of my old teachers "robert must try harder" i will take it on board just as i did back then

We are all busy guys and girls Robert but it only takes 1 second of your time to put a line space between sentences to make it easy to read, I have to agree with Suba that it makes it difficult to read as one big block of text.

Anyway, back to your question, which coilovers did you fit to go with the bravo top mounts ?
For a day to day use car, I really wouldn't take it any further than you already have, the more focused on track it becomes, the worse the comfort will be.
If you have adjustable damping then that's a real bonus as you have the best of both worlds, but be warned, adjusting the damping will take 5 minutes of your valuable time

unfortunately i don't have adjustable damping....i will buy some camber bolts when i find some and try and find somewhere to do the 4 wheel alignment..then leave it at that...anyone know anywhere?
do polybushes make much difference?

lastly.. i do a lot of my posts in the early hours i am tired and do them quickly..i am not the most literate man around thats for sure and it does take me a fair bit longer if i have to think about punctuation and grammer etc..
i have a little brain damage as well after two indented skull fractures left scarring 7ml deep across a section of my brain..
i lost the use of one side of my body at first and it took a long time to gradually get back to where i am now..
my speech and even thought patterns were all impaired at first and i still am a little vague shall we say when tired ..
i wont bore you with more but it has left lasting effects and although the brain finds new nueral pathways and will reroute to some degree you don't get away scott free from a crushed head!
so as well as repeating myself , having very big memory issues, concentration can be difficult as i say especially when tired so i hope now this is known that people will bear with me rather than make a constant issue out of it
..thanks

The brains ability to rewire it self after damage is amazing isn't it, it's incredible the trauma that a human body can withstand and still bounce back.
I don't think anyone is making a constant issue, what they are saying is, your more likely to get a response if the question is easy to read, it wasn't a dig at you.

i understand peoples issues with my posts i just wanted to explain the why..as its been mentioned many times and even after i've made an effort!

Just to confirm MattM's comments, the FK's that I have do have a slot instead of a hole for the (upper, IIRC) bolt so that you can change the camber, but also the toe-in changes too. On mine I pushed it all the way in to get just about on spec as far as I could roughly measure. But for good measure I have camber adjustment bolts (not fitted yet ) and eventually I will get it all set up properly...

yes - they can be, or they can be 'slotted' to give camber, but it's not the best way of doing it, it's hard to get the adjustment right.

back on this old chestnut i am afraid as i am sick of bouncing about at speed..is there anything can be done to make the coilovers behave at speed?

granted they keep the car flatter but whats the point if you have to back off due to bounce

i have the harder springs recomended to deal with this so can anyone tell me before i waste any more time and money whether fitting them will cure the outrageous bounce i get at above 120/130..i am 6'2" so struggle with the sunroof anyway but at speed am compressing my neck!

this is an issue as i broke it racing and didn't realise for a while what the dull aches were and by the time i went to have it checked it had healed but a bit wonky with a little calcification so it bloody hurts!

i will change for something else if someone can tell me a good track day set up..i will put up with a harsh ride on road i just want it to behave at speed..

by that i mean not bouncing but still able to drive it agressively

thanks

You need more damping - changing spring rates isn't going to do much for you.

is that possible with fks?

There are a few varients - do they have a dial on the top mount for adjusting the damping?

I have used a set and thought they were terrible for road use - very crashy indeed.

The Gaz kit is excellent all round with adjustable damping, but then it is also expensive.....

so whats the best i can do with dampers and springs for track?

i found my old standard shocks and eibachs great on road and motorway

i don't mind about ride quality so much as long as i have fast road/ track manners

osravs and eibachs should be a bit better than billies and eibachs.

The osravs are adjustable so you should be able to set them up for decent road use and change it for track use.

I have no experience of osravs tho, this is just an observation from what I've read over the years.

Or Koni (adjustable as well) + Eibach
I will test it on track next week and I will give you a feeback if you want

I've just had my new Osravs fitted and I remember now why I liked them so much when I first had them.

I've got them set to full soft at the front and 10% away from full soft at the rear - the ride is only just a bit harsher than standard, but the damping control is just great on my Eibach springs

Expensive, for a MacPherson strut setup, but very good quality and performance

What about compared to the billies Nigel?
Damping aside, what about the performance of the product, setup to how you have now? (softish for road, fast/road)

thanks
yes crazy would like to here

wheres the cheapest for them (osravs)