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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
[Re: TimC]
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23/07/2010 22:27
23/07/2010 22:27
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patch234
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patch234
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I run a HKS atmospheric. It's noisy and makes a sound every time I change gear. I love it.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
[Re: Desmond]
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23/07/2010 22:28
23/07/2010 22:28
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Gamu
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Gamu
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Ah, the age old debate Well there's always a lot of debate about this, basically it's down to personal preference, however... ...the 20vt is designed to work with a recirculating dump value (the quiet type) so if you use an atmospheric dump valve it will (technically) adversely affect the fueling of the car...but having said that lots of people run atmospheric dump valves without any noticeable adverse effects. There's certainly no performance improvement, although there is a lot of extra noise both in and out of the car Gareth
Last edited by Gamu; 23/07/2010 22:28.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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23/07/2010 22:34
23/07/2010 22:34
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patch234
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patch234
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The twin piston atmos DV's are the ones that cause no problems and if you go down the 'my car sounds like it's really mean' or 'watch out, I'm turbo charged' route (like I merrily do) then get one of these.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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23/07/2010 22:39
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alexjames
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I love the whoooosh sound, not too loud in the cabin, effects my performance as I keep up shifting, downshifting for no apparent reason
Ex Fiat Coupe Plus 20vt Electric blue | 62 trim hybrid | Flea mapped
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
[Re: pinin_prestatyn]
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24/07/2010 08:31
24/07/2010 08:31
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1NRO
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1NRO
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Oh, you've got to laugh. If you don't you'd SSsssccccrrrreeeeaaaaaammmmmmmm!!!!!! :-)
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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24/07/2010 10:38
24/07/2010 10:38
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MattW
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MattW
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I prefer the sound the Forge DV006 recirc one makes when you have a staight induction pipe, I think atmospheric dump valves sound like the car is sneezing.
vrooom ACHOO!, vrooooooooom ACHOO!
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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24/07/2010 13:47
24/07/2010 13:47
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DidCoop
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DidCoop
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Mine sounds fantastic. K&N 57i kit with a Forge DV006. Subtle but you know you've got a turbo!
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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24/07/2010 15:06
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MattW
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I've got a very subtle one that flutters. It sounds good though. You cant hear it inside the car. I dont know what make/model it is as it was on the car when I bought it.
Does anyone know what this type is? A broken one?
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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24/07/2010 15:09
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DidCoop
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DidCoop
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LOL I was thinking that Matt, there shouldn't be any flutter!
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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24/07/2010 16:09
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proccy
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proccy
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I run a HKS atmospheric. It's noisy and makes a sound every time I change gear. I love it. i'm with Phil - just come back from flea and loved every whooooosh for the whole 280 miles round trip
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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24/07/2010 16:40
24/07/2010 16:40
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gj88
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LOL I was thinking that Matt, there shouldn't be any flutter! I've heard similar on other cars and if it's broken then it certainly sounds consistant. Anything to add to your LOL then? As I'm no expert what should I be doing about this possibly broken item?
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 08:32
25/07/2010 08:32
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20vTsi
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Is the flutter not due to the lack of airbox I've got a k&n and a twin piston baileys and I get a do do do ptuuusssshhhh obv the do do do bit is the air rushing back past the blades if the turbine and the ptuuussshh is the dump valve although on hot days can sound like a little tiny sneeze lol
That coupled with my tub noise an my straight through system makes for a very noisy drive and I love it specially coming through towns obv you get all the old people lookin in disapproval but certainly turns heads of all ages
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
[Re: gj88]
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25/07/2010 09:13
25/07/2010 09:13
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Gamu
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Gamu
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As I'm no expert what should I be doing about this possibly broken item? Well, a flutter (or pigeon) sound is sometimes associated with a non working dump valve (or having no dump valve fitted) because a dump valve is designed to divert the air from the turbo out of the system, and if the air isn't diverted then it goes back into the turbo and the fluttering sound is the air hitting the turbo blades - you get the same effect/sound if you blow into a handheld fan. Different dump valves / air box combos make different sounds so it doesn't mean there's definitely something wrong with yours, but that's why when you mentioned flutter people started talking about broken bits Gareth
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 10:15
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20vTsi
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The missus has gotta astra turbo obviously It's a different car so the setup is probably different but as soon as she put an induction kit on she gained the flutter
As far as I'm aware if the intake goes straight to the turbo and not through a metering unit your get the flutter I had a few years back a series 2 rs turbo and one of my mates had a fiesta rs turbo now his inlet went straight to the inlet on the the turbo and mine went through a metering unit both had k&n and his would flutter and mine wouldn't which was a bit annoying as they were virtually the same engine yurbo powered cvh
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 17:58
25/07/2010 17:58
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MattW
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If you get flutter then the dump valve isnt doing it's job. If it's not broken then maybe it's too stiff so it's opening as it was designed to do but the pressure is still going back through the turbo as well. You can get different strength springs in some of them designed for different boost levels.
I've never heard a dump valve that makes a noise anything like compressor surge, so as far as I'm aware that kind of noise always comes from the turbo.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 18:37
25/07/2010 18:37
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RMJ
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RMJ
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With my standard dumpvalve I get loud flutter
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 19:50
25/07/2010 19:50
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20vTsi
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That's what I was saying the flutters from the turbo due to k&n and te ptuuusssshhhh is from me dump valve I see what your saying though as the dump valves supposta dump the excess air when changing gear or when you let off so obv it's not working properly tbh I like the mixture of the two so aren't I the lucky one lol
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 19:58
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MattW
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MattW
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The K&N has nothing to do with it though, just makes it a bit more audible. The flutter is due to the dump valve.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 20:13
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20vTsi
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Exactly that's what I said, if I had a standard airbox on then you wouldn't hear it obv the dump valve isn't dumping as should which is allowing the air to rush back past the blades thats not being dumped, think it's just stiff as recently it's stopped fluttering
As said the wifes coupe made no sound until I put a pipercross induction on it then hey presto flutter
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 21:06
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DanielTheManual
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I have a Bailey DV26 and I get flutter at lower revs.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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25/07/2010 22:44
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20vTsi
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Happy days that makes two of us lol
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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27/07/2010 15:55
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Maxxxer
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At low revs you will - I do. I took my DV26 apart to clean, didnt put it back together properly and ended up with flutter all through the rev range - reason being the rubber seal around the valve had become trapped, jamming it shut. Fixed this and its fine now Also had a copy HKS SSQV; never did get it to dump properly despite fiddling with it ALOT. Just fluttered nearly all the time amd affected performance no end; felt like you were going to launch yourself through the windscreen when changing up....
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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27/07/2010 17:34
27/07/2010 17:34
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Nievelc
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The flutter IS QUALITY, had quite a few people saying how it sounded awesome as I steamed past!!
Some say it damages your turbo, some say it doesn'tI get paranoid so I replaced my old bosch with forge. I swiftly got rid of my K&Ni because the lady like sigh made me want to strip naked and roll on burning broken glass whilst beating myself.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
[Re: pinin_prestatyn]
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02/08/2010 15:08
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Biggenz
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Biggenz
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I've got a Turbo XS dump valve on mine.
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Re: To whoooooosh or not to whoooooosh
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02/08/2010 16:31
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DidCoop
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