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engine gone! well gutted! #1116230
17/10/2010 15:39
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hi peeps i was out with the other coupe owner last night and on the way home gave the car a blast and then TAP TAP TAP, thought it was my rad fan on with something caught in it, came off the next juntion then oil pressure droped to below one bar, then the fast tapping becam a bang bang bang. drained the oil and id say theres only 1.5- 2L of oil! im so *"!# off i cant explain!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116234
17/10/2010 15:52
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[shabba] Don't mod it = RELIABLE [/shabba]

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Brewster] #1116237
17/10/2010 15:54
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it was nothing to do with being modified, it was to do with the lack of oil

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Brewster] #1116239
17/10/2010 15:56
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Small leek can leek a lot at high pressure i.e. driving. Sorry to hear its dead

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116245
17/10/2010 16:11
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Feel for you AG. Sorry to hear this. However, Barbz is back in town smile

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116247
17/10/2010 16:15
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Sorry to hear this news frown

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Theresa] #1116248
17/10/2010 16:24
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Gutted mate. It's cos you've been rinsing that turbo you bought off Tom!!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Theresa] #1116249
17/10/2010 16:24
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well iv just been basicly given a steel silver coupe 20vt for stupid money, iv got 3 days to transfer everything over, including the lpg conversion! after that if no one buys whats left its going to be weighed in! im so anoyed!

on the flip side at lest this car is much cleaner except for a wing, door and bonnet

on the other hand its got a sun roof which i hate!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116250
17/10/2010 16:26
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im blaming the crap oil dip stick that fiat designed for this car! dam you fiat!!!!!!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116252
17/10/2010 16:49
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gutted to here your bad news TAG, its heart braking to here that tapping sound frown

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116257
17/10/2010 17:10
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sorry to hear this mate, sounded good at curborough too - fix it, come to spa, everyhting will be good cool

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116259
17/10/2010 17:16
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Sorry to hear this. It's kicked me into gear though, as I've just bought my much needed replacement rocker cover gasket.


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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: gj88] #1116312
17/10/2010 19:31
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How long did it take to lose that much?!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116317
17/10/2010 19:45
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Feel for you, that's got to be gut wrenching to hear that noise from the car.

Were you quite religious in checking the oil?

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1116321
17/10/2010 19:53
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TAG,

That's such bad news. I hope you get things sorted and get back onto the road real soon

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1117921
20/10/2010 18:07
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well iv taken the sump off, and iv found a sliver of alloy and a high tention steel bent up metal. i think this is a piston ring and the alloy is part of the piston.

in a way this may be good news


Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1117960
20/10/2010 19:14
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I would hate to hear the bad news you get!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1117964
20/10/2010 19:21
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Well if it is indeed pieces of piston and ring in your sump, then I hate to say I told you so frown Your engine will have suffered some severe cylinder pressures i.e. extensive detonation, over the last 2-3 months since you fitted Dan's chip.

Tuning, and specifically mapping at this level (indeed any level) is very precise when done professionally. It's all too easy to kill an engine very quickly if done incorrectly, and that includes plugging a chip in that is not designed for your car. The old adage of "check the fueling" is simply not sufficient beyond a simple generic chip and setup. Mapping is the final piece of the jigsaw, but quite simply the most important piece. What's good for the goose really isn't good for the gander. You could have a banana wedged up your exhaust and it wouldn't matter, power and safety are not mutually exclusive, finding the limit is.



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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Flea] #1117978
20/10/2010 19:43
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even though you did say the above, i dont beleave this is the case, when i was giving the car some stick i was in lpg then when i realised i then switched to petrol which is 99 ron, at this point of switching was...... lets say high speed and just shortly after this it started tapping, so it may be the case that because i flicked from gas to petrol could be why. other then this theres never been a problem and this car has had stick alot. i just think it a case oil, low oil pressure and switching to petrol.

either way i have the chance now to go forged and all i now need is a crank and shells for a 2.2 engine thats basicly ready to go so even though its unfortunate, its only going to get better

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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1117987
20/10/2010 20:00
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Terrible news TAG.

Can you run dual fuel with a live mapped or altered ECU car even??

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Hovedan] #1117996
20/10/2010 20:12
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well its been running on a gtec2 for around 9 months and R1DAN's FC chip for 3month and 17 days, to be honest lpg kit did need to be tuned to the engine as it was only setup on the standard 220bhp setup but as it was used for urban driving it was never a problem.

i was informed by the lpg guy that this kit can handal applications upto 350bhp and if higher then it whould be a case of upgrading something but either way it worked using as a piggy back system

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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1118001
20/10/2010 20:17
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but saying this above when it was first rolling roaded it made more power on lpg then petrol, 262bhp on lpg i think and the stats indecated it was running fine.

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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: Flea] #1118232
21/10/2010 10:08
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Originally Posted by Flea
Well if it is indeed pieces of piston and ring in your sump, then I hate to say I told you so frown Your engine will have suffered some severe cylinder pressures i.e. extensive detonation, over the last 2-3 months since you fitted Dan's chip.

Tuning, and specifically mapping at this level (indeed any level) is very precise when done professionally. It's all too easy to kill an engine very quickly if done incorrectly, and that includes plugging a chip in that is not designed for your car. The old adage of "check the fueling" is simply not sufficient beyond a simple generic chip and setup. Mapping is the final piece of the jigsaw, but quite simply the most important piece. What's good for the goose really isn't good for the gander. You could have a banana wedged up your exhaust and it wouldn't matter, power and safety are not mutually exclusive, finding the limit is.



I'm glad that was posted as I missed the original thread, but seriously - what goes through someone's mind when they are given good advice by someone with real experience for a good reason and they ignore it?

The biggest difference to the spec of any car is going to be the turbo - the map will need to be SUBSTANTIALLY different as Leighton says on a different unit.

I've maintained for years now that a bigger turbo needs a custom map by someone that knows what they are doing - I learnt this the hard way. The car may seem to run fine, but when it lets go it does so quickly when the engine is under boost and load.

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1118245
21/10/2010 10:26
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Originally Posted by TheAudioGuy


i was informed by the lpg guy that this kit can handal applications upto 350bhp and if higher then it whould be a case of upgrading something


A slightly sweeping statement there as well. frown

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1118344
21/10/2010 13:10
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Originally Posted by TheAudioGuy
it was nothing to do with being modified, it was to do with the lack of oil


[sigh]....


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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: sugerbear] #1118757
22/10/2010 07:58
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well i think as the car was in lpg and i switched over to petrol without lifting off it is more likely why its blown a ring to me personaly, the fc chip has never given me a single bit of jip ever, iv used it upto 140mph "on the rollers" many times and iv even hit the limiter in 4th several times without realising to change up a gear. if it was going to go wrong it would of months ago, i just personaly think its a combination of factors thats lead to this.

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: ] #1118759
22/10/2010 08:16
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Even though FC told you this...

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I would be very concerned about running that chip, it's by no means a plug and play option.


I mean its very unlucky and a shame, but if the manufacturer of the chip told you not to do it, why do it!!

If you were going to get on a plane and the BA CEO came and told you I wouldn't get on this, its going blow up, what would you do!!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: JimO] #1118774
22/10/2010 09:18
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Originally Posted by JimO

If you were going to get on a plane and the BA CEO came and told you I wouldn't get on this, its going blow up, what would you do!!


Call the police and have the CEO arrested ? I dont understand how we have gone from a blown engine to the CEO of BA becoming a Terrorist.


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Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: sugerbear] #1118775
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I don't understand how we went from a simple technical fault in engine 2 to a full blown terrorism attack!! I blame the media and especially the Daily Mail!

Re: engine gone! well gutted! [Re: JimO] #1118777
22/10/2010 09:21
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i would just blame proccy!

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