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Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat #1117285
19/10/2010 17:23
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I thought when the 20VT was launched it was the fastest Fiat ever, is that still the case or have they done anything quicker since?

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117293
19/10/2010 17:42
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Not to my knowledge, even the recent Abarths aren't as 'fast', atleast on paper.

I think the Coupe was billed as 'The world most powerful front wheel drive production car"....I may be incorrect there though....

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117294
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I think you are correct in that it was the worlds faster for quiet a while, however I do not recall Fiat advertising it themselves, more that it was just a well know fact.

I believe it is still the fastest production model Fiat.


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117295
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Its defo still the fastest Fiat. And worryingly (for the new metal) still must be in the top 3 fastest front drivers out there. Check out how poor the figures are for the new Focus RS (given the outright bhp) to see how efficient the 20VT's powertrain is at generating forward motion, with 'only' 220 bhp.

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117312
19/10/2010 18:33
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Originally Posted by Civic_Legend
Its defo still the fastest Fiat. And worryingly (for the new metal) still must be in the top 3 fastest front drivers out there. Check out how poor the figures are for the new Focus RS (given the outright bhp) to see how efficient the 20VT's powertrain is at generating forward motion, with 'only' 220 bhp.


There was a thread I read a while back (I think on a Scooby forum), the guy couldn't work out why the new Ford Focus wasn't that much quicker than the coop.

and neither can I looking at the spec from torquestats

301BHP, 2.5 litre, 5 cylinder in-line with 208 BHP/ton.

Although torque stats is quoting a 12.6 secs 0-100, previous figures i've seen around were 14.3 confused


Last edited by duncan78; 19/10/2010 20:44. Reason: wrong 0-100
Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117367
19/10/2010 20:16
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The ST weighs more than the coupe by at least another 150kg on top of the coupe.


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: sugerbear] #1117389
19/10/2010 20:43
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Originally Posted by sugerbear
The ST weighs more than the coupe by at least another 150kg on top of the coupe.


well the RS (not the ST!) is 1467Kg compared to 1310Kg .. but still, BHP/ton is significantly better than the coupe, 208 vs 171

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117393
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Straught line though zzz I know what I would rather be for our roads!

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: JimO] #1117397
19/10/2010 20:47
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Originally Posted by JimO
Straught line though zzz I know what I would rather be for our roads!


Fiat Coupe, cool ... no need to say anything Jim, we all know that the Ford Focus doesn't make the quoted power (I'd still have one though smile )

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117458
19/10/2010 22:07
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yes, just saw that it was talking about the RS not ST. Could it be the gearing and aggressive boost on a coupe that helps out that.

Bear with me here.

The price of a new Coupe was about 25k ish (yes you could get them cheaper than that if you went abroad but officially the price was £25k)

The price for a new Ford Focus RS is about 25k - 27k.

though drop in the £2k mountune engine tuning option on an RS and it is quicker than a standard Coupe (yes I know that 2k spent on a coupe will end up beating the RS, but i am talking about a new car) so you end up with a car of comparable priced car (considering inflation) thats quicker.

maybe things have moved on..





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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: sugerbear] #1117467
19/10/2010 22:18
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Except for the fact the RS has no style whatsoever, designed for Essex wideboys in my opinion. Total and utter chav car!!!

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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117488
19/10/2010 22:59
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Especially in lime green.
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117489
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: sugerbear] #1117490
19/10/2010 23:06
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: sugerbear] #1117492
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The new RS does not actually make the power they say, in the latest evo mag its mentioned that all the RS's they have had on rollers, and they tested a few only actually made 260-275 bhp at the wheels.

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117501
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Originally Posted by niff
The new RS does not actually make the power they say, in the latest evo mag its mentioned that all the RS's they have had on rollers, and they tested a few only actually made 260-275 bhp at the wheels.


That's all I'd expect a 300bhp car to make at the wheels?

The coop is fast for it's bhp mainly because of aerodynamics. Compared to any hot hatch, it has a lower CD and MUCH lower frontal area.

The RS is slower than you'd expect because it generates a lot of downforce that drastically reduces bhp/tonne at speed and gives it a poor co-efficient of drag (0.38). The frontal area will also be a lot more than the coop's.

Lots of fast cars designed to generate downforce suffer at high speeds due to aerodynamic drag. Nobles and Exiges are good examples. This is why modified slower cars tend to perform very well against purpose built sports cars with similar power.

The coop has all the key ingredients for a straight line monster!


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: Trappy] #1117856
20/10/2010 16:09
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Fastest Fiat ever was probably the F86K built by Fiat in the 1950s.

Maximum speed (At Sea Level): 692 mph (1113 km/h)


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: PeteP] #1117862
20/10/2010 16:21
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1117878
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: Sedicivalvole] #1117893
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And the fastest (speed) Fiat on wheels will most probably still be the Fiat Mefistofele. I would die to hear the groan of that beast! Does anybody know where it's currently caged?


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: Kayjey] #1117963
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Originally Posted by Kayjey
And the fastest (speed) Fiat on wheels will most probably still be the Fiat Mefistofele. I would die to hear the groan of that beast! Does anybody know where it's currently caged?


It would seem not:
Originally Posted by from the link below
The vehicle's 1923 debut at Brooklands saw Ernest Eldridge establish his first 1/2 mile record from a standing start. Soon afterwards, on 12th July 1924 at Arpajon in France, he broke the absolute speed record by achieving a top speed of 146.01 mph. Other records over distances of 5 km and 10 km would follow.


This source says that it is a museum, but annoyingly, not which one.


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: PeteP] #1117981
20/10/2010 19:49
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Depends how you define "Fiat". In some sense, the fastest Fiat would be the FXX...

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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1118032
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: sandytim] #1118385
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Yes but pete since then it has been fit with a larger engine and the chassis was lengthened. 150 mph 'on top' of an open seater from 1923. Amazing.


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: Kayjey] #1118395
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With a top speed of 15mph the Fiat3000 from 1921 must be the slowest ever?

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Actually, the Fiat 2000 was slower - 6mph with a 240HP (6HP per ton) 6 cylinder engine

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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1118400
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Bizarrely, Begbies coupe has averaged the slowest over the last few years but is ALSO one of the fastest (on paper atleast) tongue

Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1118629
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Fast. Iconic. Aesthetic. Timeless.

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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: ] #1121790
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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: PeteP] #1121892
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Originally Posted by Kayjey
And the fastest (speed) Fiat on wheels will most probably still be the Fiat Mefistofele. I would die to hear the groan of that beast! Does anybody know where it's currently caged?


I have a very nice model of that car at home smile


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Re: Is the Coupe 20VT still the fastest Fiat [Re: MarioCirillo] #1121956
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