But no thread has been closed, so whats the problem?

all I said was.. the thread would be in danger of getting closed if it was to veer off onto road racing comparison of the coop and other cars.

my interest in the performance was soley on a theoretical level and the history of the coop as the world's 'fastest' fwd car.

Is that because your argument will be flawed with a lack of true substance to back it up?

At no point did I mention illegal activity, at the end of the day you could be behind an interesting car on a slip road and could compare safe acceleration onto motorway speeds without being a 'menace'

I respect the rules, but think that people need common sense in making them. A sign of what our country has become, to an extent.

(rant over, resume normal duties, put the kettle on..etc)

No its because I can't actually be bothered, as it has been discussed so many times before, one more time won't change anything..

Spending close to 15k on mods, my colleagues simply ask me why not buy a M3, EVO, Skyline or similar.. (yes i know those are RWD).. my point is performace.. a properly modded coop is phenomenal. So lets enjoy it in all its forms and agree to disagree on some points.

We can be proud to say it was fastest FWD in its time.

..thats fine Duncan and the thread will be fine along those lines, no problemo

Yeah, I've read the rules and loads of previous arguments when the coop vs has come up.

Hence very careful in that i'd like to keep discussing this on-topic

If I wanted to read road comparisons, i'd head over to scooby.net


Personally, i'm more interested in in-gear times, I don't drag-race my car, in-gear acceleration times are more real-world. A lot of people who don't know the coupe always ask it's 0-60 time, where there isn't a lot of difference between hot hatches etc ... extend that to 0-100 and it's a lot different (well in terms of a difference in seconds).

Indeed, and I am pleased to see sensible discussion on the subject.

As an example:


is usually acceptable, though it would be better placed in the track days section.



is a reasonable question.



Is strictly not acceptable.

As the forum rules state:

Any posts relating to road racing or speeding on the public road will be instantly deleted and no notification will be send to the poster. Continual behaviour of these type of posts will result in restricted posting or a ban.

There's often a judgement call to be made, and we don't always get it right; we might allow a post in some threads that we'd remove in others, or vice versa. Sometimes the mods have had a bad day, too, and our temper might not be as forgiving as you'd like.

Where can I get one of these Novski Turbulators? I haven't seen any in Max Power.

Very rare, they are. Hard to find. Far too exclusive for Max Power.

I was thinking the fastest fwd car was a budget hire car ...

It's mandatory to red-line it everywhere (or at least everytime I get one I do), so you're probably right

<the management says>

I don't care if it was on the autobahn... it's still not permitted.

Per: Aha I thought it was ok if it was legal.

Well it didn't take long to break the rules

<dons flame suit>

Isn't arguing over which FWD car is the fastest a bit like arguing over which toothless dog has the nastiest bite?

<runs for cover>

No, that would be the ones who like arguing about who's carrying the largest, heaviest backpack, being totally ignorant of the fact they'll never make it to the campsite alive.

Brave move!

I very nearly put a similar comment likening it to the special olympics but thought better of it

A 20VT on a stock turbo will never hit those speeds unless the speedo is a very long way out - the turbo just can't flow enough. A 400bhp example will...

430bhp got me to just short of 175mph after 2 miles.

And it was legal!

I honestly dont know how you have the nuts to do that sort of speed, i had 120 in my MR2 on the pit straight at knockhill, at least i think it was about that because i was too scared to take my eyes off the track for a split second!

120... That's about the speed we enter the Eau Rouge, isn't it?

Well, it was rather damp every time i went there and an AW11 MR2 with 300BHP is rather twitchy to say the least. Oh, and i discovered that the front end gets lighter after 110mph,due to the lack of weight over the front, that wasnt confidence inspiring.

Fancy taking the Fiat to Knockhill but it seems a bit delicate

Lean forward then!

To be honest the car was quite stable at those speeds. It was down a very wide runway, although things can go very wrong very quickly at those speeds.

My standard 20vt plus showed 265km/h (165mph) on the speedo in Germany. Not that surprising is it? That probably is pretty close to a real 250km/h. I've seen 260+ on the speedo loads of times though, I guess living close to Germany helps. I didn't find it nervous or unstable at all, but that will change when your suspension components even have the slightest bit of wear.

Although an E92 M3 felt a lot more stable at an indicated 272km/h (that's when the limiter comes in unfortunately).

You're just saying that because your father was sitting next to you!

In what? In the coupe? I haven't done speeds like that with him in the car He's never been in de BMW either, don't think he would be interested in those speeds anyway

So it would appear that I've upset mods by referring to a totally legal drive on a German autobahn in 1998 (long before most coupers on here drove their first coupe).

I would suggest that the 150mph I quoted was some 70mph more legal than forum members driving cars of all makes regularly travel on UK Mways. So be it. Rules is rules we can't select the ones we are prepared to observe, though I did post the same info some 4 years ago when Nigel pointed out that air flowing under the undertray probably caused the lifting sensation.

Removing references to other cars (not FWD so irrelevant to the original post), at 150 on a slab concrete construct AB the front end went light (in fact it appeared to get lighter with every join crossed). On a newly tarmaced AB with passengers on board at a similar speed, the car felt far more stable (original post in response to Eldinho's comments about travelling at 175mph on a runway).