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Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 01:47
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After running 400 bhp and 400lbs/ft of torque @1.2bar on my poor little, maxed-out GT28/71R for the last couple of years, i decided to upgrade to the next size turbo. I bought Eldihno's GT30/71, got Barbz to swap the .64 housing for a .86 and had the old girl mapped today. A couple of tweaks to the fuel and timing maps to synch the new injectors and the results are as follows; 440bhp, 450lbs/ft @1.4bar. Peak power is capped due to the compressor having reached it's limit but the torque is phenominal. I'll run it at this level for a while and maybe look at a 76 compressor in the future. A testament to the efficiency and quality that Barbz has built into this engine. No high boost, no high revs, no drama. I don't know of a similar sized engine that can throw out as much punch and at such mediocre boost levels. Barbz, me ole mucker, you were chuffed tonight when i told you, well i'm still smiling now
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 01:59
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fantastic result, can we see the graphs if you have them
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 02:32
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glad to hear it mate..
it felt quick last week rob before the map was tweaked doesit feel any quicker now?
that dog still hasn't payed up!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 06:42
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440bhp,450lbs/ft @ 1.4bar what a result
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 09:47
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thats some insane torque..
well done mate
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 11:02
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Thanks all but I think Barbz and John, my DTA man deserve the pats on the back, I'm only here for the ride :-))
Joe it wasn't the turbo, more a possible rings issue but won't know till it goes home to papa for a short visit next week!
I'll pull off some graphs next time I'm out there as it was a late session yesterday and totally forgot to print some off.
I was half expecting the clutch to start slipping but the tyres seem to let go first. Anyone that knows me will know I never launch hard and don't drag my car. It's a pure road car with more low-down grunt than most things out there and have embarrassed quite a few expensive cars when they've wanted to 'play', and that was at 400lbs.
In a word, brutal.
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 12:12
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Nice results Rob. How do you find the extra 40bhp and 50lbs of torque compared with the old turbo?
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 13:16
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Rob - thats a cracking result mate!!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 13:47
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Sounds like a great motor. Didn't know you were running a DTA ecu - good to see people using something different.
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 14:19
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Nice results Rob. How do you find the extra 40bhp and 50lbs of torque compared with the old turbo? Alexis, it's certainly noticeable, especially the mountain of torque. Slightly laggier than the 28 but that was full boost at just over 3k Nobby, I've been on DTA since before the 2.4. There were software issues initially but all ironed out now. It's certainly an alternative to the Motec and have had 30k miles of faultless running on this set-up
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This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 18:04
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good work Rob think i made 440 at 1.2, but the torque is miles off yours, due to the head size... That must some "pull" from the engine fella ! hope that box is tough !!
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02/03/2011 18:14
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is that the new turbo with the 0.86 housing that's at full boost at just over 3k rpm or the gt2871r
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 19:00
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 20:51
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is that the new turbo with the 0.86 housing that's at full boost at just over 3k rpm or the gt2871r That was the 2871 and it ran out of puff at 5.5k but had less lag than an n/a Taz, I don't think I'd get that much more headline power even with the 76 housing and probably another 10+ lbs of torque but that wasn't really my goal, I only always ever wanted a big torque curve and I've got that in spades now. Like I said, I'm not hard on the drivetrain and I've been running high torque at very low revs for 30k now and the box has held up really well. Even Joe commented how tight it still felt but yeah, that and the clutch will be the first things to suffer at this level.
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 21:44
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Joe to be honest I can't remember exactly but it was one of the first 4 paddle clutches that Barbz was fitting in the early days.
Barbz, can you remember?
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 21:46
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Rob, Barbz and DTA Well done!
I was thinking how this was all coming along the other day actually.
Bet your chuffed!
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 21:47
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if you told be the right name last time we spoke about your clutch its an alcon clutch.
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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02/03/2011 23:07
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Adam, i think that's the one mate, memory not as good as it used to be!
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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03/03/2011 00:53
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Nice Rob - good to see one of the few 2.4 boys pushing it!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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03/03/2011 15:24
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Yeah Nigel, the shove is immense. It actually produced more power higher up @1.3bar than @1.4 which seems to suggest its passed its efficiency limit and EGTs were getting too high.
Have pegged it back to 1.3 so just under 430brake and around 435lbs
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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03/03/2011 15:34
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These figures are with the GT30/71, right?
You dont need to make any more changes for a long time.. ;-)
How is off-boost performance mate?
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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03/03/2011 15:44
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76 wheel or even 82 next
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03/03/2011 15:58
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76 wheel or even 82 next Behave will you Nazo, the car has always been very good off boost, and you're right, i'll keep it like this for a while. If i wanted top-end power i would go a different route, as it is now, suits me down to the ground.
This is how it should have come out of Torino!
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Re: Barbz's baby comes of age. 450lbs/ft@1.4bar!
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03/03/2011 19:03
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Great figures - any plans to get it on the quarter mile?
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