Did you get my PM Flea?

I dont think its a case of not wanting to use the power,and its certainly not the case of being scared of it.
I think this is going of topic a little bit, but why do i have to take the car to a track or strip to use the power as much as someone who does choose to?

What is the definition of pushing the limits?
Is it full throttle,redlining it everytime round a track for half an hour?
Perhaps its not the safest option i agree, but imo tarmacs tarmac!
I think its ridiculus for someone to imply that you must track/strip the car for you to enjoy the power it produces.
If thats the case then build yourself a powerfull coupe and thrash the balls out of it every week on a track.

Im trying to respect everyone elses opions on the matter, but to criticise me for how i use my car i think is a joke!!!

very rare rant over

Why Leighton, are people hassling you to bolt on big turbo's onto stock engines and mapping it to a gazillion horsepower? haha

no criticism intended, but you can break the national speed limit in second in these cars, so most of it's power is useless in a legal sense - be interested to know where and how you manage to "enjoy" the proper performance of your coupe without endangering life?

How does this have anything to do with a 400bhp+ coupe with stock internals??

probably the same as your post 2 up from mine

If you have nothing useful to add, kindly stop hijacking the thread.

i will if you do

Watz, no bad intended mate!

But it's rare to see people build a 400bhp monster to nip down the shops...

And there best used in the track.

That is all!
I hope you don't think I wa taking the pi$$ mate!!

Marco, I am planning on upping my power from 350bhp to aroud 450bhp, and I will never take my car on the track.

Some people just have different ideas on why they want that sort of power.

I would be interested to see how the power is developed and how that compares with a forged internals engine. Anyone any graphs?

Unfortunately the person who's car this is, is banned from the forum. And Flea's dyno is out of action so no power figures from there.

Each to there own mate!
I guess would just be worried about a massive failure... But as stated with a correct set up, and a healthy engine it's fine...

Iv been contacted buy the owner of this coupe in question, originaly this coupe was owned by goose on this forum, then Paul warner, and now ads20v

this coupe has been built by goose to run on standard internals because he beleaved this was more then capiable, somewhere between goose and Paul warner was another owner but can not be confirmed by rogger at power italia that the engine was replaced with a rebuilt engine, this maybe standard or forged but will never be confirmed as this owner is unknown

then mapped when Paul warner owned it by flea

now running a gt2871r 86 turbo, 440 injectors and has to date from being mapped destroyed a gearbox 2 days after being remapped by flea and this Thursday shearing a drive shaft clean off on the long side in second gear at 3,500rpm

this coupe is a complete monster and is booked tomorrow on the rollers so will post up the results

also that wasn't oil out the exhaurst, it was water vapour and diluted soot sitting in the tail pipe then pushed out with a blip of the throttle.

when flea mapped my car (standard internals) to 351bhp a well known and respected specialist told me that beyond 300bhp he couldn't see it lasing if booted on a regular basis - i respect his opinion and never run mine on the top setting on my boost controller and it's plenty fast enough in all conditions including track - as proved at donington

If you want to do that then go for it, but for a road car you may well find 350 bhp a much nicer car to drive, as you go to far northwards of 350 on a 2lr engine you loose the bottom end of the powerband, which is not much fun for the road unless you are mostly on the Mway and DCs. If you do it though please do feel free to pop round and give me a passenger ride.

My earlier comments were added as I dont want people reading this thread and thinking that 400bhp+ is fine on a stock engine, it has been done and almost always ended in an engine failure shortly afterwards if the car is pushed hard. Nyssa7 has raced a kappa (20vt engine), and put standard rods through the block on several occasions going over 350 lbs ft etc...

If you can accellerate faster up to 70mph then you CAN use it legally.

When I got to 320 bhp I knew I'd hit the sweet spot for me and any more power wouldnt make a big enough difference to my journeys to justify the greater cost and stressing of the components.

Everyones sweet spot will be different based on money, paranoia, driving style etc.

What's the point if you can't use it legally? Well of that was the case wouldnt that stop people buying ferrari's and other supercars? Erm......no! Lol

no criticism intended, but you can break the national speed limit in second in these cars, so most of it's power is useless in a legal sense - be interested to know where and how you manage to "enjoy" the proper performance of your coupe without endangering life? [/quote]

Its all very well being p/c about matters like this and perhaps its the right view to take, but i think in the real world it dosnt quite work like that.
Perhaps ive given the impression that i drive everywhere at 150mph everywhere i go, but this isnt the case by any means.I drive for a living so know full well the dangers of being on the road.
However, from what you have said,have you ever been over 70mph and endangered life?because being p/c thats were the boundry lies.
If you havnt then why do you have a 220bhp sports car capable of 150mph?
If you havnt been over 70mph then perhaps the diesel fiesta would of been better suited!

marco- no worries mate,bit touchy on this subject i admit!apologies

The whole thing about sticking to speed limits is a load of nonsense in any case. I know the forum does not promote speeding, and rightly so, but we all know the score.

I went on a MAC driving course when I bought my Honda Civic Type R and the instructor was an ex policeman. I was taught how to read corners and drive fast, but safe on windy country lanes. At the end of the day, the aim was for me to do around 80mhp in a safe manner, which is quite a challenge if you're not used to driving that way on country lanes - and this coming from an ex copper.

He also told me what I've lived by ever since I started driving. Stick to speed limits in built up areas and when the road is busy, but if you need to get to your destination quickly, drive at which ever speed will get you there safely.

Does anyone know where I can buy some toffee apples?

oooo hit a nerve have i? :marco:

I don't think going forged would affect the power output, just the ability to withstand it and run safely unless I am missing somethin

marks your correct mate going forge will just mean you can run the same power safely without thinking every time you put your foot down your going to hear a big bang

Well the results are in, will post up the graphs later when I'm back home unless I can email them to someone?

yer, feel free to email me at work.
marco.sorrentino@btlocalbusiness.co.uk

Has it been mapped since?





Can't you post the headlines? Most importantly where it was dyno'd

It was dyno'd at track n road, steve didn't have any concerns, did say the map was good from the results shown and the only thing he would do is run more boost but I think 1.4bar is enough!

It made 358.9bhp and 313Lbft on his rollers @1.4bar

??? On a gt2871r?
What happened to 420bhp, or am I getting confused with something else?

Lol! I nearly make that with a GT2860RS, standard injectors, smaller exhaust and less boost.

How did he manage to destroy a gearbox and snap a drive shaft with that power??