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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:24
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It made 358.9bhp and 313Lbft on his rollers @1.4bar Lol! I nearly make that with a GT2860RS, standard injectors, smaller exhaust and less boost. How did he manage to destroy a gearbox and snap a drive shaft with that power?? you can kill them to with standard power if you drive very hard with lots of launches
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:28
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:30
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Different rollers have different results, as track n road are the nearest and best in the area it was booked there, the car was never run on a dyno after flea mapped it on the day so we asked roughly what he thought it would be likely to be running and we said where it would be going to be power run and he's awhere of how they power run cars and it differs from his way but I'm sure there will be a local rr'day where the car can be compaired to other coupes on the day
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:38
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Also what's your spec biggenz? Ads20v is more than willing to put money down at the next rr'day if you are?
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:40
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:42
22/03/2011 20:42
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Lol! I nearly make that with a GT2860RS, standard injectors, smaller exhaust and less boost.
You won't make it at Track'n'Road. My car made 342bhp at Circuit Motors, 315bhp a week later on exactly the same spec at Track'n'Road. Divide your Circuit Motors bhp by 1.086 and you'll have a good estimate of what you'd make at Track'n'Road. Taking the aforementioned car as an example and multiplying 358.9 by 1.086, I reckon it'd make around 390bhp at Circuit Motors, and with Fleamap, should break 400bhp. It's probably broken down so many times because of the way it's been driven. I've seen it being drag raced up and down industrial estates and generally hanging around in the local Basildon 'McDonalds scene'. It's changed hands countless times, each time for less and less money, it's been brought up by any garage, exhaust specialist, or tyre shop I've been too when they see mine in the same colour (all sorts of stories). I've been flashed by scrotes in old chavved up Astras, vans, or just waved at by silly tarts in KAs, quite funny when they pull alongside and realise it's not their mate, but you get the idea. Hasn't done much for the local perspective of the coop in the area... Hopefully the latest owner will look after it a bit better
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:46
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How can there be such a big difference between the power readings at different dyno's?
How do you know which one is accurate?
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:52
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How do you know which one is accurate? You don't, and you can't tell. Either could be spot on, it could be bang in the middle, or it could be more or less than either extreme. It doesn't mater really. All that does matters, is that you compare your own car before and after modifications on the same dyno. Having all of the cars Flea's mapped on the same dyno makes it great to compare different specs, or indeed the possible variation in cars with the same spec. I like to run mine on both so I can compare my results to coops all over the country, or just then cars that are local to me.
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:54
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:58
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Well, I'll be going to Surrey Rolling Road this Saturday, so it will be interesting to see what results I get.
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 20:59
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I'll let ben know but I think he knows deep down lol
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:06
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Well, I'll be going to Surrey Rolling Road this Saturday, so it will be interesting to see what results I get. Whatever results you get, you can't compare them to any other dyno results. Some dyno operators can't even set the damn dynos up properly and I've seen all sorts of results when this happens. No dyno can measure 100% accurately, whatever they tell you. Personally, I'd like to test an engine on a proper engine dyno (which are said to be spot on), then fit the engine in a car and run it all round the country testing lots of different dynos. Until someone spends the money, we'll never know. Just use the dyno for what it's best used for (measurement of additional modifications) and don't worry about the figures. Boosted_Coupe, who's Ben?
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:14
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Biggenz mate, good luck and make sure you post up the results! Ive heard they have a pretty good reputation there, some guy called Charlie, pretty clued up, done loads of cars, including coops. Enjoy.
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:15
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Was the owner after Paul warner
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:25
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Biggenz mate, good luck and make sure you post up the results! Ive heard they have a pretty good reputation there, some guy called Charlie, pretty clued up, done loads of cars, including coops. Enjoy. Cheers Maurizio! If my results turn out to be 30 odd bhp less like Trappy's, I'll rather not post it up!
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:29
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Well, I'll be going to Surrey Rolling Road this Saturday, so it will be interesting to see what results I get. Whatever results you get, you can't compare them to any other dyno results. Some dyno operators can't even set the damn dynos up properly and I've seen all sorts of results when this happens. No dyno can measure 100% accurately, whatever they tell you. Personally, I'd like to test an engine on a proper engine dyno (which are said to be spot on), then fit the engine in a car and run it all round the country testing lots of different dynos. Until someone spends the money, we'll never know. Just use the dyno for what it's best used for (measurement of additional modifications) and don't worry about the figures. Boosted_Coupe, who's Ben? This is my belief, also. Although im only going on evidence of friends cars. My view is that dyno owners/operators as a rule are wanting to please their customers so may possibly be optomistic in their data.
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:31
22/03/2011 21:31
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Ha ha, you'll have to PM me then! lol.
Google 'Dyno Dynamics Rolling Road' they call it the heartbreaker, just a warning. My print out was a fair bit lower than Fleas RR, BUT I did have a boost leak to be fair.
Anyway good luck Pero.
Now in the 400+ bhp club!
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 21:45
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I would be interested to see how the power is developed and how that compares with a forged internals engine. Anyone any graphs? I don't think going forged would affect the power output, just the ability to withstand it and run safely unless I am missing somethin A little unclear from me. I had fleas comment about a good map in mind. I just wondered if the power was developed in a non forged engine would have to be far more progressive to avoid bending rods. But I don't know.
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 22:46
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hi guys rolling roads and getting figures is called pub talk ...... too many people hating on the guys coupe for he only paid £650 for it .... bargain
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 22:49
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Well in the last month or so there have been a few other dyno stories... Hovedan - Stage 3 hybrid 360bhp & 332bs/ft @ Red Dot Racing Darkside (Bravo 20vt) - GT28RS 0.64 360bhp & 360lbs/ft @ CRMC (Sreetracers) There is an equilibrium in dyno world! Take heed of the Trappmeister, a wise old man he is
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 22:49
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imho
oem pistons will hold the power, even high one.. if you snap a piston, its probably knock.
oem rods are the problem and torque.. or how you develop torque and at which revs
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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22/03/2011 22:55
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graphs from todays power run
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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24/03/2011 00:18
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The end of your post is exactly how me my bro and other coupe mates feel!!!
Trappy page7
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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24/03/2011 00:44
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The end of your post is exactly how me my bro and other coupe mates feel!!!
Trappy page7 what do you mean have i missed something in the tread again
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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24/03/2011 08:15
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I think he means the point where the rollers are ment the be used for measurment of additional modifications
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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24/03/2011 08:28
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Or maybe the industal chav statment? Lol
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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24/03/2011 13:42
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It's probably broken down so many times because of the way it's been driven. I've seen it being drag raced up and down industrial estates and generally hanging around in the local Basildon 'McDonalds scene'. It's changed hands countless times, each time for less and less money, it's been brought up by any garage, exhaust specialist, or tyre shop I've been too when they see mine in the same colour (all sorts of stories). I've been flashed by scrotes in old chavved up Astras, vans, or just waved at by silly tarts in KAs, quite funny when they pull alongside and realise it's not their mate, but you get the idea.
Hang on a minute, I have been known to hang out at McDonalds when visiting Rog !
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Re: 420bhp on stock internals??
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24/03/2011 20:23
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I have only been to Basildon once in my life, and erm, my mate wanted to stop at that Mcdonalds to get something to eat.
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