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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
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21/10/2011 12:08
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For example do you remember the Turbo days of Formula 1 back in the 80's. Didn't they have 1.5-1.7 litre engines putting out around 1,000hp? I'm sure it was something like a 1.4l putting out up to 1,300bhp during qualifying
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
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21/10/2011 12:10
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Most people are either morons or have no interest or real knowledge of cars though mate. The next person to say that to you ask them if they know how a turbo works and what its effect is. Unless they do then you are talking to someone who just does not share your interest.
Just let them be impressed!
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
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21/10/2011 12:11
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MrCooper
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Are you sure it was not a coupe engine it was running Ryan?
Seem to remember it did the whole lap in 3rd and finished on pole.
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: jimbob13]
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22/10/2011 09:44
22/10/2011 09:44
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pinin_prestatyn
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The litre thing is just plebs that haven't got a clue about cars. I get it all the time. For instance the guy that was smug because his mondeo was a 2.5 and my car was 'just' a 2 litre. Another example of the Yanks expertise at extracting the absolute minimum possible from a massive engine: My mate had a 1984 Corvette 5.7 litre, which had a whopping 180BHP They must really have to apply some good technology to get so little from such a large engine The sound of it though
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
#1282337
22/10/2011 10:39
22/10/2011 10:39
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Oh dear, so many twisted knickers Cc does count. It is the basis of the engine build and together with the cam begin to define the characteristics of the cars behaviour. 'Only' 2 litres is relative. Give me a 1.3 and i can, with the right bits, make it as powerful as a 2 litre. It will be more stressed and less reliable. Give me a small block v8 and with the right bits it will kill the 2 litre. Sure a 30 year old v8 may have produced less but this is little beyond anecdotal given the age and design of engine. Like for like cc clearly delivers. Is this not one of the reasons people drop the stilo lump in the coup... to use the increased cc and modify that to the max - thereby giving more bhp & torque than the 2 litre could. It is also useful to look at the differences in how bigger capacity engines deliver the power, typically more torque and lower in the revs. So this does not mean that a car with less peak bhp is necessarily slower etc. What you may find is that, with power being delivered earlier it will result in more 'under the curve'. So whilst a higher bhp is revving to achieve its max potential the other 'lesser bhp'd' car is already ahead and has changed gear. Bigger (cc) is normally better but bigger (bhp) doesnt always mean faster
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: pinin_prestatyn]
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22/10/2011 11:52
22/10/2011 11:52
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Rudidudi
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Another example of the Yanks expertise at extracting the absolute minimum possible from a massive engine: My mate had a 1984 Corvette 5.7 litre, which had a whopping 180BHP They must really have to apply some good technology to get so little from such a large engine Two things to note, 1. Compare the bhp from a 'boggo' 2 litre from the early 80's (ford granada?) to a modern 2 litre 2. The yanks dont do max bhp in many of their cars/trucks, their engines are often 'stump pullers', designed to carry stuff 3. Most importantly its about the cam. What cam theory. Put a 'mild' cam in and you'll get a very torquey engine that runs out of pull quickly. Increase the duration and overlap lift and the manners decrease and it becomes more cammy. You cant have both. (Ok modern cam profiles work on the high lift fast openning and closing rate principles that kind of produces similar results for medium tuned applications but wear rates are high due to the pointyness of the cams) "There's no replacement for displacement" yeah baby !
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: pinin_prestatyn]
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22/10/2011 12:03
22/10/2011 12:03
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Rudidudi
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And also the yanks have cr@p quality, low octane petrol. when i was there a month ago they typically had 3 grades of octane, the cheapest being about 60/65p a litre ! And i had a sheety ford focus with a slush box!
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: pinin_prestatyn]
#1282511
22/10/2011 23:14
22/10/2011 23:14
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And also the yanks have cr@p quality, low octane petrol. Ah, but they sell according to "road octane" which is the average of research octane number (RON) and motor octane number (MON), so normal regular unleaded petrol sold in the UK that is produced to 95 RON (and 85 MON) would be 90 road octane in the USA. PS: RON and MON are similar tests to measure knock resistance referred back to standard reference fuel mixtures, carried out at different engine speeds. If anything, MON is a more representative test, being carried out at higher RPM, so you could argue that the stuff in the USA is higher "quality" because they have more specifications to meet.
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
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23/10/2011 02:02
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Mityrare
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Its worse here in Canada where a little engine is 5.0 litres.
Friends and neighbours don't understand my fascination with "small" engines but they also don't know how my cars drive so well and accelerate so quickly...
...I have a 3.o litre 8 cylinder 32 valve Ferrari in my Thema 8.32 and when someone pulls up beside at an intersection and asks "what size motor is in that ugly thing" i now just say "big enough" and leaves them in a trail of fumes.
My turbo cars also get similar puzzled looks from people.
I look forward to taking delivery of my Coupe 20v next week to keep the neighbours guessing.... they already know I am car nuts and they haven't a clue what any of my cars are.
You folks in the UK have it made with coniderable choice of cool quick little cars.
Paul
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
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23/10/2011 02:10
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shinyshoes
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You have a Thema 8.32 as well??!! Nice work my friend.
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
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#1282562
23/10/2011 02:49
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...I have a 3.o litre 8 cylinder 32 valve Ferrari in my Thema 8.32 and when someone pulls up beside at an intersection and asks "what size motor is in that ugly thing" i now just say "big enough" and leaves them in a trail of fumes.
We had three 8.32's at the garage I used to work in. Two of the engines went into a Lancia Stratos replica. One at a time mind, but when the cambelt snapped on the first one, it was easier to stick another engine in, rather than mess around fixing the first one.
Last edited by Theresa; 23/10/2011 02:54. Reason: Paul, if ever you need spares for the 8.32, I canpoint you in the right direction :)
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: Theresa]
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23/10/2011 03:09
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Mityrare
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...I have a 3.o litre 8 cylinder 32 valve Ferrari in my Thema 8.32 and when someone pulls up beside at an intersection and asks "what size motor is in that ugly thing" i now just say "big enough" and leaves them in a trail of fumes.
We had three 8.32's at the garage I used to work in. Two of the engines went into a Lancia Stratos replica. One at a time mind, but when the cambelt snapped on the first one, it was easier to stick another engine in, rather than mess around fixing the first one. thank you not an inexpensive engine to fix or maintain paul
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
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#1282578
23/10/2011 10:04
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not an inexpensive engine to fix or maintain
Possible winner of the award for quote of the day.
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
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23/10/2011 10:05
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Roadking
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Where in Canada do you live, Paul?
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: Roadking]
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23/10/2011 14:16
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Mityrare
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Where in Canada do you live, Paul? An hour north of Toronto, Ontario p
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
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25/10/2011 11:49
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Begbie
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Where in Canada do you live, Paul? An hour north of Toronto, Ontario p You need to have a chat with tipoboy on here. He had a coupe out in Canada too, but has now moved south into the US
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: Begbie]
#1283365
25/10/2011 12:00
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Roadking
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Where in Canada do you live, Paul? An hour north of Toronto, Ontario p You need to have a chat with tipoboy on here. He had a coupe out in Canada too, but has now moved south into the US Tipoboy lived in Calgary, and had a seriously uprated 20VT. I may be wrong, but ISTR his move to the US is temporary, I think he was leaving his Coupe in storage, but again I may have imagined that. He's running a Porker now
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: Roadking]
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25/10/2011 12:08
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Roadking
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Today I put my Coupe into storage for several years
During the trip to Las Vegas my car consumed a lot of oil. Probably about 8 litres over the 6800 km drive. I don't have an exact figure as I lost track of how much I had to buy! I knew it at an oil burning issue but hoped that was all.
After the rebuild last year when the oil was cold I saw 3 bar at idle which would drop to 1.5 bar when the oil was hot. When revved the oil pressure would rise nicely.
However since then I'd noticed the hot idle oil pressure slowly dropping until it had got to 0.5 bar. When revved the oil pressure would rise still nicely. That was until August when the oil pressure at hot idle dropped to 0 and would sometimes cause the oil pressure warning light to come on. Revving the engine has less of an effect, 2000 rpm would only see about 0.5 bar, 3000 rpm about 1 bar. I knew the engine was dying so left it unused in the garage.
When cold the engine would also take about 6 seconds of cranking before it would fire up. No spluttering just cranking then it would fire and run perfectly. You could then switch it off and it would restart on the first cycle.
This is very frustrating as we actually had a lovely long summer and I could have driven it right up until today. I wish I could find someone who could build me an engine that lasts more than a season.
At the end of August I was told that Schlumberger are closing the Calgary office. All staff who had mobile status were given an offer to move to Houston. The rest were out of a job at the end of the year. I accepted the Houston transfer and are in the middle of arranging to move to Houston. The aim is to complete this by 1st January. I'll be there for at least a year. Usually you work in one place for 3 years then move on. Moving back to Canada with Schlumberger isn't an option as there won't be an office here.
I've thoroughly enjoyed my 5 years here. Love the people and the environment. I even bought a house here last December. The plan is to rent it out but the rent I'll get is only 3/4 of the mortgage and that's before any management fees and property taxes are subtracted. I'll have to see how that goes as I'll be subsidising the rent from my USA wages.
Even if the FIAT engine was running perfectly I don't think I could have imported it into the USA. To be honest I'm sick of having the engine rebuilt. Sure I get a lot of enjoyment driving it around but the cost and limited time the engine lasts is getting to me. If the car was worth anything here I'd seriously consider breaking it. However there is very little on it that is worth anything to the Canadian market (Tyres, Radio, ECU, gauges, Apexi, Alarm). If/when I return to Canada I can strip the engine down and see what's wrong. My biggest concern is that if it needs another rebore, which it probably will, I'm looking at having to import a new block.
I limped the car to the storage facility today and said goodbye. It's going to cost $1000 a year but it's heated, clinically clean and in very good company.
I still love driving so whilst in Houston I intend to replace the Coupe with a certain German car I've always dreamed of owning since I was a child.
John
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: Roadking]
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25/10/2011 14:43
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Mityrare
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what a disheartening post
... the Coupe is not eligible for legal importation into the USA ...here in Canada any car that was not sold in Canada cannot come into Canada until it is 15 years old.....hence my recent purchase of a 1996.
I learn from this sad post that highy modifying the engine can lead to premature failure and loss of passion for the car.
....Mine will remain stock with perhaps the GTEC1 chip and little else
...I have other go fast cars and the Coupe will be a stylish machine for wifey and I to drive into the USA on occassion to meet up with fellow Fiat owners (not coupe owners)..and we will have the most stylin car in our little town.
... cant wait to see people looking at the car with a puzzled face....and them saying that " it is only a 2.0 litre?"
P
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: Rudidudi]
#1283461
25/10/2011 16:38
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If you decide to chip it, id have it remapped properly
A generic chip can often cause more problems than benefits Not always that easy when you live in Canada... Just get the fueling checked on a rolling road if you go for a chip
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Re: Only a 2.0 Litre !!!
[Re: andy2]
#1283489
25/10/2011 18:22
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Fly Flea out with his laptop! I'm sure he won't complain
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