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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 10:07
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Fantastic results Barbz, well done mate.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 11:51
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Barbz you didn't hang around since you've been back! Yeah, been back a year and a half now, sometimes i wonder myself what going on upstairs.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 12:07
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Good to see you posting so much lately sir - "coming out of the shadows" was very apt. Now get back to working more tuning alchemy. EDIT: Oh and congrats on the results.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 13:09
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Congrats on the results I can´t imagine what feels a Coupé with 500bhp it must be like sitting on rocket or going on the roller coaster Cheers Filipe
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 17:20
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Congrats Barbz!!
Looking back 3 years ago, JohnS's ar was made 616bhp on race fuel... (if I remember correctly)
I wonder if the 600bhp figure can be achieved with out race fuel?? I know nothing is impossible now a days.
Maybe a question for flea but is there any limits to the standard ECU?? Or will 600bhp be ok to run on the standard management?
Also seeing a you have a tigart manifold, GTX turbo ect I can't wait to see what flea can do with this when it goes back for a "tweak"
When is that planned mate?
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 19:48
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Well done barbz good to see your pushing it forward all the time.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 20:36
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Congrats Barbz!!
Looking back 3 years ago, JohnS's ar was made 616bhp on race fuel... (if I remember correctly)
I wonder if the 600bhp figure can be achieved with out race fuel?? I know nothing is impossible now a days.
Maybe a question for flea but is there any limits to the standard ECU?? Or will 600bhp be ok to run on the standard management?
Also seeing a you have a tigart manifold, GTX turbo ect I can't wait to see what flea can do with this when it goes back for a "tweak"
Thanks Marco. John S' ran a gt3082 which is rated at 550hp and he made around that figure on pump gas. GTX3076 is rated for just over 600hp, so not impossible. Will be going with a slightly larger on MAF to increase the range and 875cc injectors. Booked in for Tuesday morning.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 20:46
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It's a big figure 500bhp, a half century of horsepower giving a power to weight ratio of 390bhp/tonne. So what company do we keep with the big 5-0... Aston Martin Vanquish Audi R8 V10 BMW M5 E60 Corvette Z06 Ferrari 430 Ferrari F50 Lamborghini Gallardo I was recently in a Z06 at Donington following Barbz on track with his old setup running 460-470bhp on the same dyno. Now Barbz, aka "Street Warrior", struggles a little in his old age to navigate the corners without lighting up the tyres, but at no point was he holding us up and there was absolutely nothing to be gained in the straights with the Z06. Of course, the Z06 wasn't scrabbling in the corners, in fact there was some significant G to be felt, but it has RWD and fantastic leaf spring suspension (yes the yanks have made it work!). My point being, don't get hung up on this and that technicalities of X vs Y, there is no black and white when making real world comparisons. We have reached a genuine watershed with the Coupe over the last 2-3 years. Such is the the development, 400 is now the new 300, and 500 is the new 400. The good thing is that it can be backed up with reliability, these engines are being tested with countless track days and hard driving, all without failure. I include many non-forged 350-400bhp engines that have the original engine, these having been pounding the tarmac for the last 2-3 years at full power. Marco mentions the Bosch Motronic factory ECU, yes that's right, the most powerful and (proven) fastest Coupes do indeed still use the original ECU and with good reason. 100% reliability, an ECU that is far more sophisticated in managing the engine under all situations. I am proud to say that FC Performance has opened up the potential of this ECU far beyond any other tuner across the globe. The Coupe has never had it so good. Power, suspension, brakes and reliability are all being optimised with ever increasing results. Of course, not to be outdone by the TorqueItalia 2.4, well the FC Performance 2.0 is currently under the knife for some upgrades... as Barbz says we are going to see some interesting developments in 2012
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 21:10
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That's a fantastic wright up there flea!! Interesting to see a little old coupe could and SHOULD be messing around with some big brand ad BIG named cars!! Fingers crosse Barbz gets into a tangle with some of them one day FC performance car is under the knife ay... Could we be seeing the FCperformance coupe VS the torque italia monster 2.4L coupe on a drag strip in 2012??? And it's about time you started playing with your car again Flea!! What are now.... 3rd on your own league table??
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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well done barbz nice results keep up your top quality work!!!! catch up with you soon
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 21:46
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good write up flea well explianed even i managed to understand it
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 22:35
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Thanks Leighton. It gives me the confidance to progress. Nice results all round.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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11/12/2011 22:48
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! Interesting to see a little old coupe could and SHOULD be messing around with some big brand ad BIG named cars!! We'll see it as early as next April Marco, assuming Barbz and JBT do some Scuderia sessions.....Spa is an epic track and last year JBT, Taffy and Joe gave the exotica something to think about and i don't believe any of the coupes was 100%!! Would be amazing if Flea was there too - watch out supercars, the boys are coming for you
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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Now Barbz, aka "Street Warrior", struggles a little in his old age to navigate the corners Oi! Cheeky. but at no point was he holding us up and there was absolutely nothing to be gained in the straights with the Z06. Of course, the Z06 wasn't scrabbling in the corners And i was only in 1st gear! Running road tyres on the front gave me a hard time all day but had to take the 'bull by the horns' and show who's boss., innit! Marco mentions the Bosch Motronic factory ECU, yes that's right, the most powerful and (proven) fastest Coupes do indeed still use the original ECU and with good reason. 100% reliability, an ECU that is far more sophisticated in managing the engine under all situations. I am proud to say that FC Performance has opened up the potential of this ECU far beyond any other tuner across the globe Agreed, top job Leighton.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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12/12/2011 08:57
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Well done B another mechanical masterpiece.
It's great to see the coupe going from strength to strength.
Barbz i wonder what we could do to mine to help me keep up with those pesky westfields in the SMRC in the dry. We've been discussing over boost buttons and perhaps as GT29 to keep things spooling quickly without mega boost. I know Leighton might not be up with the Motec but i'm sure there are improvements lurking.
By the way how do you find the Tigart manifold, i'm looking at getting one made but if theirs is good then it might save me a few pennies.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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12/12/2011 09:11
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By the way how do you find the Tigart manifold, i'm looking at getting one made but if theirs is good then it might save me a few pennies. Unless you plan to make yours out of gold, I'm not sure you'll be saving anything as those Tigart manifolds are quite expensive!
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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12/12/2011 11:11
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Depends what you class as expensive Biggenz. Over the last few years whilst building my Coupe race car i have spent a fortune on bits and pieces. My gearbox was the best part of £6k so £1500 for a manifold is relatively reasonable in my book. You only get what you pay for.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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12/12/2011 11:22
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You only get what you pay for. I couldn't agree more!
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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My gearbox was the best part of £6k so £1500 for a manifold is relatively reasonable in my book. FML.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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He Barbz,brilliant result (what else could we expect from you ) over 500bhp at `only` 1.5 bar she`s not even warmed up yet buddy I really need to pull all my fingers out and get my `old banger` down to you.........if you still have time to fit it in ......after these latest results ,even more people will be beating the path to your door.. great to hear about the latest news well done ....wil you EVER stop
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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12/12/2011 12:19
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Well done B another mechanical masterpiece.
It's great to see the coupe going from strength to strength.
Barbz i wonder what we could do to mine to help me keep up with those pesky westfields in the SMRC in the dry. We've been discussing over boost buttons and perhaps as GT29 to keep things spooling quickly without mega boost. I know Leighton might not be up with the Motec but i'm sure there are improvements lurking.
By the way how do you find the Tigart manifold, i'm looking at getting one made but if theirs is good then it might save me a few pennies.
Hi Sparco Thanks. Send me current spec' in detail and i'll see where we can improve it. torque.italia@hotmail.co.uk Regarding Tigarts manifold, it was a bit of an unknown, with no R&D data. I paid £1200 for it and spent £350 having it ceramic coated in and out to increase gas speed and longevity. First test run of the unit proved to be impressive as i hadn't lost any spool but gained it, especially with running a larger Turbo. Throttle response is sharper and feels so much smoother right through the rev band. The dyno graph also confirmed that there weren't any potential restriction at the top end either. Its also very well made and solid in construction (heavier than the OEM). So the thumbs up so far. To attempt one yourself will prove to be more costly. Leighton could you put the graph up to prove, just in case we have any 'snake oil' comments.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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How drivable is 500+ bhp and what sort of fuel return is there? Genuine interest, not trying to prove any points I might add. I appreciate that 500+ in a car is hardly going to make it one's family wagon now
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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He Barbz,brilliant result (what else could we expect from you )
over 500bhp at `only` 1.5 bar she`s not even warmed up yet buddy
I really need to pull all my fingers out and get my `old banger` down to you.........if you still have time to fit it in ......after these latest results ,even more people will be beating the path to your door.. great to hear about the latest news well done ....wil you EVER stop LOL! Blimey, where have you been hiding mate? Mothball that thing and get it down here, you were supposed get it here last year. Do it before you get snowed in again. Dont know what else to do after 2 decades of grafting? Maybe take up gardening.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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How drivable is 500+ bhp and what sort of fuel return is there? Genuine interest, not trying to prove any points I might add.
I appreciate that 500+ in a car is hardly going to make it one's family wagon now Well, very drivable baring the Helix twinplate, needs getting used to. I managed 400 miles on £120 to Donny and back, inc track time. As a daily driver, about 280 miles.
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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Re: Heartbreaker pt 2, 504bhp, 400trq @ 1.5bar!
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really looking forward to see what flea can do with Barbz's monster tomorrow!!! shall we all start having a guess??
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