So whats the fcc ukers idea on whats happening here. I'm off to my underground bunker

Aliens !

It's always good to have informed discussion...

I`m rather disappointed that this is not a News International thread. Although I guess that could be Murdoch`s death star refuelling....

Well it is relative Andrew. It is too hot in my room to have liquid hydrogen rain but too cold for lead rain. Those big blue stars make our little yellow one look relatively cool. As for ET someone should have mentioned it...

I think it's real.

We're all going to die

Definately true

I can guarantee death will happen to us all eventually, except for stan

this is something to consider

There has been anomalys around our sun for years.

As usual key evidence is generally ignored or defined as unxeplained phenomenon, or even the latest joke digital artifacts from cameras that cost millions of pounds.

What we have to understand we are newbies of 2k-3k years in our universe which in itself billions of years old.

We also dont really have any idea of the actual physics that it operates on.

Even our basic undertanding of time distance velocity is wrong albeit near accurate but not exact.

There has also become a mainstream media led ' take the piss ' philosphy on possible ideas on many different phenomenon either in space or earth.

Thus has casued the mainstream sheep to follow the herd and therefore have the same attitude towards it.

Rather than laugh or mock what it may be ' think what it may be ' History seems to repeat itself pardon the pun but didnt the earth used to be flat?

Our physics is now smashed wide open einsteins equations wrong speed of light limit which back in 80s people in the know already knew this! Now we have Talk of different dimensions ie string theory.

Believe me if aliens could have the tech to stop our sun we would already be dead, but if they had the tech then why would a adavanced culture destroy life?

It's hard to imagine why.

The idea that you can post something about science on the internet and not have at least one person contribute to the debate by the medium of lame gags is touchingly naive. And where is Stan, anyways?

oreally. Try posing something about god

God has been done to death (as Nietzsche nearly said), but it's been 10 month since the chem-trails thread, so I'm ready for another round of Jonny's alien nonsense

You are quick to label it nonsense. The fact of matter is that there is phenomenom happening on here in earth and in space.

So Andrew what is this phenomenon? swamp gas, digital artifacts from cameras, birds, the laughable excuses go on and on.

In 1952 The US goverment was tasked with investigating the phenomenon leading this was Dr Allen Hynek who was orginally skeptical.

After many different events that he had to attend he was tasked by the board to debunk as most he could an attitude that you employ without thought. Hynek became tired of having to employ this methodolgy.

He now is a firm believer of what is going on.
Along with many astranughts.

Can I also add that a high percentage of people that have come out with information regarding the projects are now dead.

Ask you self why?

a quick few for you to try and debunk good luck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=273jcsMQu3M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApl-jA6E3w

What are they then andrew?

Oh, goody! We have not had one of these threads for ages!

What am I, your de-bunk monkey? I learned from the chem-trail thread that there's no point arguing with you as you don't understand how to evaluate evidence.

As there are, effectively, an unlimited number of idiots with access to YouTube there will never be a stage where there aren't another couple of clips or interviews to be 'explained'.

So, if you don't mind, this time round I'll just laugh at you and your ridiculous ideas. I particularly liked this ...



It's a fascinating insight into your way of thinking that when 999,999 experiments confirm the predicitions of relativity and 1 experiment runs count to them your immediate thought is, "Ha! The establishment was wrong!" rather than, "Let's have another look at that experiment, eh?".

I think its you that cant evaluate evidence as you either dismiss it without explaination. Or even try to explain what it is?

As for the chemtrail thread, I dont believe I was part of that one again you are mistaken.

Im not saying you are my debunk monkey but you find it easy to label me with 'jonnys alien nonesense' without proving me wrong.

You obviously lack debating skills as this form tactic in a subject acceptable within mainstream you would look foolish.

On the other hand I provide you with good evidence that you cant explain no matter how hard you try.

Not just me, but also the forum search engine - which shows 46 posts from you in that thread.

Of course, an alien could have taken over your body, I suppose.

Or the search engine...

no im right again the thread was

'Aliens, physics, chemtrails, and California'

Not once did I talk about chemtrails. Aliens yes physics yes.

Away from that anyway your einstein obsesion is now proved wrong thanks to CERN but that is a public front anaway.

The problem with our equations is that they are near accurate but not exact.

here is an example

I once remember in higher level chemistry my teacher asked the class what temp does water boil. I said 95 celcius he errupted with laughter. I then had to corrected him and advise that water only boils at 100celcius at sea level.
He went away and checked this to be true and we all had a laugh at him.

What this goes to show is people similar to yourself andrew are conditioned by the media and culture with sheep like philopshy just like 95% of the population.

Just like 95% of the people presumed the world was flat. History seems to repeat trends. So when reality for you kicks in embrace it dont fight it.

So you were part of the thread, but you were right to say, "I don't believe I was part of that one" because you didn't post about chemtrails?

I don't think I have an Einstein obsession, but I know that CERN haven't proved him wrong (he was, of course, wrong about a lot of things, but most of them pointed out before CERN's time). One experiment has results which contradict the theory of relativity, but it's hardly conclusive yet.

Your boiling water story is lovely, although I'm not sure what the point of it is. You were just as 'wrong' as your chemistry teacher, in that the boiling point of water is 95 degrees only at a certain atmospheric pressure. In a vacuum, for example, the boiling point of water will be far lower than 95 degrees.

Much as I enjoy all of your sheep references it's fairly clear that you're trying to compensate for your obvious lack of intelligence by imaginging yourself to blessed with hidden knowledge that the 'sheep' will never be able to understand. Good on you. Hope that's going well.

God, I have missed this place!

Andrew, clearly your being negged. .

I presumed there was another thread on chemtrails as the majority of the thread didnt discuss them.




Opera has conducted '2' expermiments, both proved neutrinos faster than light you are right in saying more experiments are req to complete disprove of relativity but its looking very likely.

You dont think you have an obsesion with Einstein? You either do or dont.



I was only making the point that what is learned in schools etc is not gospel and does not operate on a 'think out of the box' methodolgy. I am more than aware the boiling point of water in a vacum would be less than 95 degrees. what I was refering to was the fact that we were roughly 600m above sea level and that boiling point would be less than 100dc.



Another below the belt insult, probably because you cant accept my metodolgy. The only lack of intelligence appears to be coming from you with your inabilty to look at evidence and logically come up with any explaination. Instead you insult me and others who dont have the blinkers on.

have a look at the 2 videos I posted earlier on and logically tell me what you think they could be. Is that not a fair and constructive approach?

You *have* noted that Opera have revisited their methodology and discovered connector errors which account for the delay?

Just asking...

This, you see, is what's wrong with your 'metodology' - your flippant approach to what is meant by terms such as 'proof' and 'likely'.

The chance that relativity will be completely disproved are very, very small indeed - mainly because we have so much experimental evidence that it works very well indeed.

Obviously the results of the neutrino experiments are very interesting, but they haven't proved anything, yet, and nor will they until they have been subject to a great deal more scrutiny.

In your mad-cap system 'proof' is a YouTube video, or testimony given by somebody you consider reputable, or even the hint of dark forces at work. I'm not an expert in flying objects, so showing me crappy videos until I admit that I can't explain what they are proves nothing, other than there's a lot of shit on the Internet.

However, I've yet to see a video you posted where there isn't someone who has a non-alien explanation, which the UFO crowd either ignore or use a the starting point to attack the person giving the explanation. Attacking their credentials (which is rich given the people that UFO fans will take as trustworthy) or accusing them of being part of a cover-up, while, at the same time, having the nerve to accuse *others* of being blinkered, sheep-like or closed minded.

That's a crappy metodology - so, no, I don't like it.

The footage could be of anything anywhere.
It could be of a cell.
It actually looks like the footage of my sperm being rejected by my wifes egg.
I base the above opinions on the fact that there is no sound track, if you are filming that close to the Sun you would be able to hear it crackling. Or something similar to chips in a fryer, although that always reminds me of the fake applause on TV.
...or, it could be a camera lens mite, possibly?

Yes it works well but that doesnt make it correct. For example Speed = distance/time it works really well but it isnt exact this has been proved by atomic clocks flown on aircraft.

The atomic clocks soon become out of sync with changes in altitude and gravitational fluctations allbeit microseconds the effect is noticable. Therfore the equation isnt correct.

We can also apply this concept to relativty, times have moved on with talk of many different dimensions ie string theory.




Well done Andrew bascially recaping what I said more tests need to be ran to confirm.



Get with the times Andrew youtue Is now one of the most available media formats for the aveage joe to broadcast just look at the amount of hits the recent joseph Kony video is getting.

Im sorry I dont have a news team and a camera crew to meet your standard.

All the videos that i have posted are either NASA videos or miltary videos to elimante. The shit that your talking about ie the CGI fake videos.

As for the whitness testimony I only previously provided astronaughts ( not credible by your standard obviously)

Also Bob lazar was mentioned claiming to work on back engineering projects from ET technolgy backed up by 2 lie detector passes and his name found in LOS alamos directory despite the goverment claiming he never worked there.




Generally as I stated I dont normally look at the videos unless they are likely to be genuine and come from good sources. What you have to understand is im not a UFO fan what I am is someone who realises there is some kind of phenomenon going on here and trying to make sense of it. On the other side of the coin like yourself you simply dismiss without reason. Out of the 2 sides of that coin I can assure you its your side working to a crappy metodolgy.

I finnally have a question for you what do you believe the phenomenon is? Considering it has been occuring since history began here is one from 1561 germany, obviously with no photos at the time but painted with statements now held in a zurich Libary.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case486.htm

Jonny (Wishbone?), you really, really worry me.

You're so desperate to believe that you're willing to find "evidence" in anything. Honestly, you can't prove that alien piloted UFOs exist because it's a near certainty they don't and no amount of YouTube clips, eye witness accounts or conspiracy theories will change that.

Until they are truly observable in a scientific and repeatable manner they will continue to not exist. Not because only things that have been observed exist, but because real science works on theory based on sound physics and probabilities. There is no sound theory for interstellar travel, nor is it practical or probable. Those massive obstacles aside why would aliens go to great lengths to come to our solar system simply to make a weird pattern in a sun spot? Why not just pop round for tea and biscuits and get the whole ambiguity thing out of the way?

You're as zealous as a fundamentally religious person, but you make God(s) seem plausible when compared to the claptrap you seem to think proves the existence of aliens. Seriously, go have a few minutes in a darkened room and actually think about your theories for a moment, I mean really objectively look at them.

Yours faithfully,

Reptilon - Shapeshifter Extraordinaire.

I'm not sure were to start with this, so I'm not going to, the great thing about science is no one is asking you to believe anything. If your capable of understanding the methods, processes and context then for the most part you or some one else should be able to consistently validate the results.

Before you continue down this line, educate yourself.