For someone who is so pro "Britishness", your attitude towards those who correctly use the English language is more than puzzling. Trust me, I certainly have neither the time nor inclination, let alone the need, to "go trawling through a thesaurus" to respond to you. And whilst you have felt the need several times to resort to name calling and personal attacks, I wonder if you can refer me to my direct rudeness to you?

is that enough for you

I wonder which part of the first you find rude, the second is a generalism but you seem to feel the shoe fits, so be it, and the third is simply descriptive of the manner in which you have responded towards posters whose views you don't happen to agree with. You have called people names and made the matter personal and seem to believe that those who support the rule of law support terrorism for some reason.

oh another oh so clever insult, might a suggest that you get a large jar of vaseline which a guy like is bound to have lots of and go in to the garage and get a crowbar or some other similar instrument of leverage and use it to pull your head out your ass as it is clearly lodged firmly up there

Enough doug20vt, your behaviour is unacceptable.

Calm it down or the thread will be locked.

Is this still going?!

My two pence worth, but here goes

There seems to be two issues which are getting muddled.

The first is whether he is guilty or not and the second of extradition.

People seem to be mixing the point up. He has not been extradited because the evidence that may be used against him is of dubious reliability and the ramification of a conviction are great.

Nobody is suggesting that he is a nice man or defending him, however if we can't be certain, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he would have a fair trial then the right thing to do is not send him. I don't believe it's much to do with human rights, more common decency.

Amen.

Exactly a nice summary.

We are all agreed that if he can be convicted using legally obtained evidence that is not obtained via torture. Then excellent convict him.

If we can deport him and be guaranteed that the evidence used against him will not be obtained by torture then excellent deport him.

If neither of those can be done. He is a free man. Until it can be proven that he has broken a law.

I find how things have been going in the last few years in this country truly alarming. The erosion of freedom by the Government is on a dangerous level imo. The ECHR has been one of the best things I have seen in recent years. As it stop the Government doing whatever the hell it fancies doing and keeps it accountable to some respect.

Let this thread not descend into name calling or personal attacks as I do not want to see it locked. Debate the points but do not attack each other as that is pointless. Doug you obviously feel strongly, so does Azzura. While my point of view sits with what Azzura is thinking, of course it doesn't make your voice or opinion any less valid. An open air of points is always useful.

Looks like Abu Hamza and his cohorts will be shipped out. That'll free up some much needed prison spaces!

Link to article.

Good riddence