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Re: "New iPhone" launch
[Re: charlie_croker]
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12/09/2012 17:34
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We went with cloud technology on our work based intranet systems. If anyone thinks windoze is frustrating just wait until you have to rely on the cloud If you loose your connection the terminal is just a dumb client, you can't even save your work. It's nice to be able to upload content to the cloud but to rely on the cloud for a unit to work is not good, this is where they seem to be taking cloud technology.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
[Re: barnacle]
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12/09/2012 17:36
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Battery life is one of the biggest area's of competition in the mobile market
I'd argue that point. Surely the biggest area of competition is persuading the punter to by the newer[tm] and better[tm] version six months down the line? But that is part and parcel Neil. Product X has Y battery life, vs Product A which has B battery life.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 17:36
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We went with cloud technology on our work based intranet systems. If anyone thinks windoze is frustrating just wait until you have to rely on the cloud If you loose your connection the terminal is just a dumb client, you can't even save your work. It's nice to be able to upload content to the cloud but to rely on the cloud for a unit to work is not good, this is where they seem to be taking cloud technology. There is no local cache put in place!!??
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 17:38
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I applaud the time to write the post Charlie.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 17:39
12/09/2012 17:39
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We went with cloud technology on our work based intranet systems. If anyone thinks windoze is frustrating just wait until you have to rely on the cloud If you loose your connection the terminal is just a dumb client, you can't even save your work. It's nice to be able to upload content to the cloud but to rely on the cloud for a unit to work is not good, this is where they seem to be taking cloud technology. iCloud doesn't work like that Bob, it's a way of keeping devices: 1. In Sync 2. Backed up. 3. Allows you to find your device (if lost/stolen). http://www.apple.com/icloud/ explains how it works.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
[Re: bockers]
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12/09/2012 17:47
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IMHO smart phones are reaching their design limits. The screen can't get much clearer, they don't need to get much faster and they do far more than you ever need. Now if only the battery would last longer than a day! I would agree with that - it much like digital cameras. I suspect that is why apple have slowed down their investment. The returns aren't great enough and they have the finances to snap up small innovative companies with cool new tech ideas. I suspect they are also concentrating on other new products like the new TV.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 17:48
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I'm still using my iPhone 4 and 18 months on its been very reliable and does everything I need. The only bitch about it is the necessity of iTunes, the most prolific virus in the world. Nevertheless, I shall be treating myself to a 5 next month, stocks allowing. You'll be please to know a new iTunes is coming - completely rewritten so hopefully it will be a great improvement.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 17:57
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...several statements to back his viewpoint are either erroneous or misleading.
Could you elaborate? I agree it's not exactly a piece of neutral reporting, but for those of us not in the Apple inner sanctum (?!), it's frustrating just to be told "That's rubbish" without specifics. Sure Jim His comment about iPhone hardware not changing is wrong, his % figures for R&D are wrong (and as Andrew suggested not the whole picture), he cant make up his mind if he want Apple to follow the market trends or not and he make a number of assumptions based on....well seemingly nothing.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 18:04
12/09/2012 18:04
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Apple have a relatively small amount of products:
1. iMac 2. Macbook Pro 3. AppleTV 4. iPad 5. iPhone 6. iPod Touch 7. iPod Nano 8. Apple Timecapsule 9. Airport 10. Airport Express 11. Trackpad 12. Mouse 13. Mac Pro 14. Mac Mini 15 Macbook Air 16. iPod Classic 17. iPod Shuffle
So they do not need a huge R&D budget. And the author is being disingenuous when he states "a paltry 2% of revenues, versus 14% for Google and Microsoft?" Check out the actual figures for yourself. Clue Apple's income was much bigger than either of the above.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 18:38
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You'll be please to know a new iTunes is coming - completely rewritten so hopefully it will be a great improvement. Well it can't get worse on Windows.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 18:49
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I simply don't know how they get such quality from such a small apperture Anyone else snigger at this, I laughed out loud in my office Yes me too, but of course the smaller the aperture, the greater the depth of field/focus. LOL innocent and perhaps ignorant comment from me, but hey the photos are ravishing
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 18:50
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charlie_croker
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kaVzt-_zajE#! iPhone 5 booting into iOS6
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 19:19
12/09/2012 19:19
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Images will soon start to filter to tech blogs of the new device now it is out of NDA.
Someone with more time will post them here
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 19:44
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charlie_croker
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/apple-iphone-5-liveblog/Looking good so far. Camera looks promising. f2.4, 8MP, Sapphire glass lens and new low light capability, (Dynamic mode gives equivalent of 2 f stops faster allegedly) Battery life improved over 4S Screen as rumoured 4 inches Real Racing 3 looked amazing A6 Chips 2x CPU and 2xGPU faster than 4S.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 19:46
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New dock connector as expected.
So far the major changes (screen / 4G / CPU / dock connector) have been reported previously.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 20:07
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This is what I got from ijailbreak twitter feeds:
entirely made of glass and aluminium 18% thinner than iphone 4s 20% lighter than iphon 4s 4inch display 1136x640 res New wifi and has 4G LTE A6 Processor 8mp camera - backside illuminated, hybrid IT filter 1080p video face detection facectime camera is hd ios6 same price as iphone4s
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 20:07
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 22:04
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Surely the biggest thing that apple had in terms of user retention was that they all bought hardware that used the same connection. Now every dock, charger and cable needs changing...i see that as a massive own goal. No more of an own goal than when I changed from SCSI to USB, to Firewire to E-SATA to Thunderbolt! The dock connector was originally designed for the iPod, it had too many connectors, (it was originally FW400 and only charged on fw), then became USB, was adapted to lots of different needs and progress is progress. They are releasing two adapters to enable the old cables to fit the new phones/iPods. That's progress. I am more annoyed by the price increase in UK. I always purchase my iPhone outright and swap my SIM, it normally costs me £495 which I then offset by selling my old iPhone for around the £360-400 mark. But despite Tim Cook saying the price remains the same it's now £529
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 22:12
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Surely the biggest thing that apple had in terms of user retention was that they all bought hardware that used the same connection. Now every dock, charger and cable needs changing...i see that as a massive own goal. Even my boss, who is a total fanboy, took time from his diatribe on why my life is incomplete and will be until I embrace Apple, to make a similar comment.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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12/09/2012 23:56
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Surely the biggest thing that apple had in terms of user retention was that they all bought hardware that used the same connection. Now every dock, charger and cable needs changing...i see that as a massive own goal. No it is a good thing. 30 Pin connection has survived from 2003 in many fashions. Pins moved and protocols altered. Now in 2012 it is a hinderence and needs to be modernised. Too much space is taken up by it and a further re-design for higher bandwidth was required. Good job Apple for moving forward and not sticking with the connection because loads of people have it. Push forward. Lightning is far superior and being rotation independent is just the icing on the cake. If you have a particular accessory you can adapt the connection permanently through an adapter. 9 years is a long time. This comes from someone with more xyz to 30 Pin connector cables than I can shake a stick at. Just because its comfortable doesn't mean it isn't time to move on. My opinion but I'd rather the design didn't suffer due to legacy components. I like the innovation chip side and the work they have been doing to open up the frequencies on voice calls so that people sounds more like people. Good news that its a UK carrier who has been working with them to implement it.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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13/09/2012 07:45
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I like the innovation chip side and the work they have been doing to open up the frequencies on voice calls so that people sounds more like people. Good news that its a UK carrier who has been working with them to implement it.
Can you point me at a reference, Nick? As I understand the GSM phone system they'd have to maintain compatibility with the rest of the world and use the low-bitrate CELP coding; could it be that they're negotiating a different standard for apple-apple calls? (To be honest, the speech audio is probably the easiest bit of a phone these days... the coders are well defined and standardised and it's down to the mic and speaker on the phone itself; the physical acoustics of it all.)
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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13/09/2012 08:09
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As i started this thread with a 'viewpoint' article, here's the flipside : iPhone still innovating From my perspective, I'm very confused by the new connector . It isnt USB 3 or Thunderbolt, it's still USB 2 (which was introduced 11 years ago), offers no performance increase over the old connector, and yet they call it "LIGHTNING!!!!!!" Otherwise all as expected, except that the new camera is below the spec of recent rivals, no NFC, and no wireless charging. But i'm not that fussed about NFC or wireless charging. if you have a wireless charging 'pad' you still need to have it plugged into the wall somewhere, so i'm not yet sold on that but i'm happy that others are innovating into this area as it's the only way that the technology will improve (and potentially all devices will end up charging when set on a desk, kitchen top, dashboard etc) As for the NFC...i can definatly see it's uses, not least in the 5 items or less queue at a supermarket. But again, at the moment it's still a little under developed for me, but i look forward to using it in the future. Also, honest enquiry, can someone point me to benchmarks for the new chip. So far i've seen it banded around that it's twice as fast as the 4G but the only source is the launch speech.
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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13/09/2012 09:36
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Re: "New iPhone" launch
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13/09/2012 09:56
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hmmmm Each to their own but for me (and i even have an (albeit old) iphone) Apple are all about gloss and style with little substance and too over priced.
Yesterday I picked up a new LG Prada 3 for under £150 for the wife to replace her aging sanfrancisco
dual core, 1gb ram, 8gb storage with sd slot, 8mp rear camera with flash and 1.3mp facing camera for skype. Basically it is everything an iphone 4S is but with larger screen and far lower price.
You get so much more for your money if you stay away from the "cool" apple branding imo.
I am thinking I my roll the dice and try something new next phone, possibly the lumia 820 windows 8. Them too however i worry are going to be over priced.
and as for their charging connector........ The fact that they refuse to use micro usb like every other smart phone just sums them up imo. Because I am stuck on iphone at the moment (not my choice at the time) every where i go with the wife i have to take 2 lots of chargers with me. PITA
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