I'm trying to find out the weight of the 4s latest model, 12 plate. The porsche website says 1445kg(DIN) and 1520Kg(EC) for the manual.

What's the difference between DIN and EC?

The weight of the driver....??

unless it's proccy

DIN includes a full tank of fuel and all ancillaries, tools etc as supplied standard and EC also adds 75 Kilo's as an average driver.

It's all bull S**t in real life anyway

Ah-ha. So when a 20VT is 1310Kg is that DIN or EC or neither!?

Neither - 1310kg is complete cobblers (or only when the car is pressurised to 3 bar with Helium....)

I stripped about 150kg out of my 20vt to run at TOTB - took it to a weighbridge and it posted about 1250kg

No idea where the 1310 figure comes from - probably a "dry" (ie no fluids at all) base model 20vt with no aircon or sunroof - ie nobody will ever own a Coupe that weighs that little

I reckon a well-specced 20vt with a tank of fuel and a driver is in the region of 1600kg

I doubt that very much a well specced 20vt should be lighter than stock

1450kg tops with fuel and normal driver

a coupe will now weigh more than when it came out the factory due to all the rust. a rusty piece of metal weighs more, unless its fell off.

A rusty piece of metal weighs less due to chemistry mate!

The metal becomes rusty as it reacts with water,salt etc and becomes a oxide coming off the car.

No chance - a tank full of fuel is about 45 kg and a driver is say 75kg - that's 120kg on top of the base vehicle weight, which is definitely NOT 1310kg.

As I said above, my VERY stripped out Coupe still weighed 1250kg - it would have been closer to 1400 by the time it was back together

Anyway - back on topic, a Carrera 4S is about 1500kg and 320bhp. Very quick off the mark due to great traction - sub 5 seconds to 60

^ yeah but in that case a 911 4s is going to weigh 1650Kg with fuel and driver. 1700Kg if it's a 'banker' at the wheel.

So I guess it's the DIN weight of a Coop I'm looking for.

I'm looking at a 12-plate brand new 4s (997) - the 400bhp one. Although having done some research, it must be a 996 having carefully looked at the decals - the 385Bhp one. These stats I can get. It was the weight that confused me. It seems you can get an older model 911 with a brand new plate.

My Coop usually runs with about 1/4 tank of fuel and nothing much else in it but me. Oh and it has the lightest wheels you can get on a Coop.

nope. the metal now has extra oxygen which it never had before thus making it heavier. wiki why does iron weigh more when it rusts

The coupe is not made of iron , the paint has come off for a kick off so that would weigh more than a oxide particle like for like so your wrong.

A coop made of iron laugh

Yet again GCSE Physics escapes you. If you take 1kg of substance A and oxidise it it becomes heavier. That is the case for every oxidising substance in existence, whether it be carbon, iron, nitrogen, etc.

As for the iron comment, steel is 98% iron. Honestly Jonny, give up trying to look clever. It has the exact opposite outcome every time.

It's begs the question as to why do you want to know the specs?? Are you looking to buy one? OR....... (the more likely scenario) Have you been Racing fat bankers in there brand new porkers?
My guess is you had a play with one ( in a straight line) and it was pretty even??

Nick

Not a chance, he must have been ahead by at least 10 car lengths

Steel is a coumpound <95% iron

So the paint coming off the car is heavier than the extra atom or 2 making the coumpound a oxide thus a process that the original coumpound flakes away.

Honeslty brewster back to basics for you

Jonny, stop it. You are only digging yourself a bigger hole. Steel is not a coumpound [sic] or even a compound. It is an alloy. A compound would be iron oxide where the elements have chemically joined or water where hydrogen and oxygen have bonded.

Once an element A, e.g. iron (minimum 98% in steel), has bonded with an element B, e.g. oxygen, it is heavier. Basic physics - there is no argument other than idiocy.

You are perhaps the most astonishing person I have ever come across on the internet. It's not the lack of even basic school knowledge, but just how much you believe the stuff you make up in your own head.

Much as I hate to agree with Adam, he's right, Jonny. Rusty steel only weighs less than the original metal in two circumstances: (1) when the rusty bit has fallen off the car and (2) when someone has changed the local gravity.

Scientifically it would be argued that the car still weighs more, it's just spread about all over the place.

would could...

No one picked up on this gem yet?