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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387297
24/10/2012 15:17
24/10/2012 15:17
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DeaDLocK
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I think there are a few hundred Plus models in Malaysia (UK-spec), with most of them running Plus wheels, and I've never heard of this happening here. But of course the majority of owners are not active members of the community.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387302
24/10/2012 15:33
24/10/2012 15:33
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neil_r
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Glad nobody was hurt, the main thing for now!!! As for Speedline wheels (Italy), they are a fairly well respected name in the wheel world and started off making rally wheels. They moved into the OEM business and appear to supply may European manufacturers and some far eastern manufacturers' option wheels which are fitted by dealers locally. They claim production capacity of some 2.5m wheels a year. The are owned by Ronal of Germany now. However, I doubt that they would be of any real help. I asked a simple question once about the Speedline wheels I bought for my wife's Impreza and they never replied 
1997 20V 2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR 2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD 2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: Wheel came off
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24/10/2012 16:20
24/10/2012 16:20
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Ianchat
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Is there exposed porosity on the back face of the wheel spokes - there looks to be something but it could be specs of dirt? I'm wondering if a "gassy melt" may have resulted in multiple fatigue cracks initiated at gas pores exposed on the surface.
Would be interesting to know when the other wheels that have failed were made - i.e. is it one batch.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387350
24/10/2012 22:15
24/10/2012 22:15
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Duffy
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Duffy
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Not good, glad the final result wasn't too disasterous!
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387364
24/10/2012 23:40
24/10/2012 23:40
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Hubby
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Hubby
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yeh dont worry the other wheels will be checked very carefully
thanks nigel keep us all upto date
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387371
25/10/2012 00:14
25/10/2012 00:14
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PeteP
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They have not yet come across this problem in France.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387373
25/10/2012 00:39
25/10/2012 00:39
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MarioCirillo
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They have not yet come across this problem in France. Probably because they don't have shite roads out there 
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387487
25/10/2012 14:04
25/10/2012 14:04
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jonnyk
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again? jesus! we have all been lucky for this not to happen at speed and cause an accident!
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387490
25/10/2012 14:17
25/10/2012 14:17
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Marco20ValveT
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last night i checked my mate's wheels over. his car has lived a nice life, 150k and going storng. His wheels have been powder coated around a year ago and all seems well. spekaing to are powdercoaters he does not think that powder coating could be the casue. he thinks its definatly some thing to do to the heat from the brakes transfering to the wheel and then hitting a bump or some along them lines. All you need is a hair line fracture and then the weather and the roads will do the rest for you. all i know is im going to be checking the shizzle out of my wheels. afterall.. not exactly a lucky person when it comes to coupes 
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 15:24
25/10/2012 15:24
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MarioCirillo
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spekaing to are powdercoaters he does not think that powder coating could be the casue.
LOL well obviously they will say that regardless!
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 15:54
25/10/2012 15:54
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Marco20ValveT
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spekaing to are powdercoaters he does not think that powder coating could be the casue.
LOL well obviously they will say that regardless! why would they? they havent done my wheels or any one that im aware of from the forum. he has no reason to lie to me. he's a man who will tell you straight. not sugar coat a blag. knobber!
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 17:34
25/10/2012 17:34
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MarioCirillo
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spekaing to are powdercoaters he does not think that powder coating could be the casue.
LOL well obviously they will say that regardless! why would they? they havent done my wheels or any one that im aware of from the forum. he has no reason to lie to me. he's a man who will tell you straight. not sugar coat a blag. knobber! You said he was "are/our" powdercoater" Anyway regardless of if he does work for you or not why would someone who powdercoats wheels for a living openly turn around and tell you that it could be the reason for wheels failing? Its not going to do the market any good. Anyway I don't believe its to do with powerder coating or heat from the brakes. I simply think its down to the shocking state of the UK roads combined with stiff suspension that many of us have on these cars.
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 17:38
25/10/2012 17:38
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Marco20ValveT
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He has spoken...
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 17:40
25/10/2012 17:40
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Marco20ValveT
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I simply think its down to the shocking state of the UK roads combined with stiff suspension that many of us have on these cars. so why havent others had failures? surley that would be a big thing.. how many lowered cars are out there with stiff suspension? if it was that then im sure there would be people with wheels breaking off.
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 17:45
25/10/2012 17:45
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MarioCirillo
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Well how many people have had their wheels powdercoated Its down to bad luck a combination of events which cause it to happen. Depends on what holes you have hit, how hard, how many times, all different things. To narrow it down and say all powdercoated wheels will fail, or all lowered cars will fail is ridiculous. Its a combination of different events which have led to these failures over time.
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 17:52
25/10/2012 17:52
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Marco20ValveT
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Depends on what holes you have hit, how hard, how many times,
bet your holes have been battered. MANY times. VERY hard. Proccy told me so.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387535
25/10/2012 17:52
25/10/2012 17:52
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coupe_integrale
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Don't get me started on our roads. Marco knows!
You're bang on Mario, these wheels have had a hard life over the last 15+ years/xxx thousand miles. Unless you've had the car from new you've got no idea what they've been through.
My Alfa is on standard suspension and OE Alfa wheels and I destroyed a wheel hitting a pothole crater the other night.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387565
25/10/2012 19:44
25/10/2012 19:44
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But the wheels fail in exactly the same place, sorry but that's not coincidence or just unlucky.
Yes totally agree, the area these keep failing on is exactly the same on each spoke on every "wheel fell off" post we've seen these past few years, but the question is do pot holes start the issue.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387566
25/10/2012 20:00
25/10/2012 20:00
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magooagain
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Partial fracture could be to blame. Maybe from the poor UK roads etc. I think it may not be just one thing that is giving the wheel failure.
Age plus compound fatigue could be the cause.
I have about 20 odd 20vt wheels knocking about at different milage. I will try and check them out.
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387585
25/10/2012 21:14
25/10/2012 21:14
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MarioCirillo
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But the wheels fail in exactly the same place, sorry but that's not coincidence or just unlucky.
If you keep battering the crap out of a wheel it will fail at its weakest point. So of course they will all fail there. It's the weakest part of the wheel. Once one spoke cracks the rest will take eneven strain thus causing them all to eventually fail.
Last edited by MarioCirillo; 25/10/2012 21:14.
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 22:58
25/10/2012 22:58
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Marco20ValveT
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I've got a spare 20vt Rim that I'm going to give a serious beating. Also put in the parts washer and keep it at a consistent heat cycle, then drop it from the second story racking.
Keep repeating the process till it brakes.
Any ideas chuck them my way so I an do a mock (kida) test on it!
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Re: Wheel came off
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25/10/2012 23:06
25/10/2012 23:06
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johnnybravoturbo
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Very scientific approach Marco  I have seen a few of these coupes barrel rolled into hedges and various obstacles without the failure of the wheels. Not uncommon to see wheels sheared off in the same place following hitting kerbs. Large pressure to a small surface area will result in such a failure. So I don't think a mass panic is needed but its worrying and all of my customers are mentioning this thread. All these wheels have seen various kerb damage,oxidation and refurbishments. How long does a manufacturer guarantee an alloy wheel for? Or does it recommend replacement at a set interval or distance?
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Re: Wheel came off
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#1387630
25/10/2012 23:14
25/10/2012 23:14
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johnnybravoturbo
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Might be worth following this http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/consumer_advice/bmw_latest.shtmlThe following quotation may be key:- BMW's Corporate Communications Manager Wieland Bruch said: "The root cause why these wheels crack to a higher degree in the UK whereas they are not conspicuous in other countries, is still under investigation.
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