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Re: Wheel came off [Re: Jimbo] #1387633
25/10/2012 23:22
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
There's coupes in countries with roads and climates much worse than the UK so lets see what the feedback from other countries is like.
I don't believe this is a case having lowered suspension or pot holes or as you say "battering the crap out of a wheel" (I don't know anyone who would do that?)



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Im not saying that the sole reason for the wheel to fail is due to the road, suspension and a battering. Im saying its a contributing factor. There is clearly a series of events that have led to these wheels failing all of which have contributed to slowly weakening the wheel over time thus resulting in an unfortunate failure.

It will be interesting to see what fiat come back with.


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387651
26/10/2012 00:29
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A small tash about 3cm long to go directly under your nose maybe??

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387726
26/10/2012 12:42
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A little more news from an admin on the French forum.

They have seen a few 20VT Plus wheels with cracked spokes but none on standard 20VT wheels.


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387742
26/10/2012 14:27
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I'm thinking Clarkson and a coupe in green. That wheel was well out of balance and under some serious stress and it failed in exactly the same point.
The weapon was bolted to the end of the spokes iirc yet the wheel failed in exactly the same place as all of these. My first coupe had a single cracked spoke on the front right and that was 60k non refurbished.

I think we need to pool some info from the owners of failures to see if we have a trend:
power, suspension set up, did the brakes bind at all, was the front wheel bearing failing causing excess heat, track day use and anything else that might give a clue. Most fails have been on cars owned for a few years so we should beable to get some good history?

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387746
26/10/2012 14:48
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If I remember correctly the drilled holes in the spokes, which could easily weaken them. Probably discount that evidence.

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387765
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The breakage of the TG Coupe wheel was caused by weakened spokes (hole drilled through them) and the fact that the bloody great spike dug into the Lexus400 and bounced the Coupe into the air

Re: Wheel came off [Re: Nigel] #1387783
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Originally Posted by Nigel
The breakage of the TG Coupe wheel was caused by weakened spokes (hole drilled through them) and the fact that the bloody great spike dug into the Lexus400 and bounced the Coupe into the air


Also the coupe was being driven by an idiot smile

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387789
26/10/2012 18:34
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I wonder how long alloy wheels have been used as standard spec on production cars?

As mentioned in the link at begining of thread a specific temperature/time is used to give the metal its strengh. Therefore does any time at this temp or above have an affect?

Individual life time physical abuse to wheel (uk roads)?

Seems to be a life time issue as is possible in the bmw/audi issue.

Given the age of our cars cannot see how fiat could be considered in any way responsible says alot for customer service that they are even interested cool

Any one got any decent wheels for sale chinny

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Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387790
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I've got a full set of LE wheels in the garage, although unused for 4 years I'm still going to check them for cracking.

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387826
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The front wheel of my plus fell off and caused £lots



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Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387868
27/10/2012 10:28
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My point was that it failed at the same point as this one even though it was drilled at the rim end of the spokes.
So far all ive read lots of guesses and no evidence gathering.
Anyone on here can laterally load a wheel to see what force it takes to bust a spoke?

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387930
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Originally Posted by Marco20ValveT
I've got a spare 20vt Rim that I'm going to give a serious beating.
Also put in the parts washer and keep it at a consistent heat cycle, then drop it from the second story racking.

Keep repeating the process till it brakes.

Any ideas chuck them my way so I an do a mock (kida) test on it!


All a bit pointless unless its attached to a car Marco, you need the load of the car through the centre of the wheel....unless you're chucking the whole car off the racking?


Re: Wheel came off [Re: Jimbo] #1387933
27/10/2012 17:10
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Originally Posted by Jimbo

All a bit pointless unless its attached to a car Marco, you need the load of the car through the centre of the wheel....unless you're chucking the whole car off the racking?



Wouldn't put it past him.....


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: Jimbo] #1387941
27/10/2012 19:01
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Originally Posted by Marco20ValveT
I've got a spare 20vt Rim that I'm going to give a serious beating.
Also put in the parts washer and keep it at a consistent heat cycle, then drop it from the second story racking.

Keep repeating the process till it brakes.

Any ideas chuck them my way so I an do a mock (kida) test on it!


All a bit pointless unless its attached to a car Marco, you need the load of the car through the centre of the wheel....unless you're chucking the whole car off the racking?



Give him a break Jimbo, that's pure science for Italians laugh

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1387952
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It would explain the decline of the Roman Empire though.

Re: Wheel came off [Re: Jimbo] #1388051
28/10/2012 10:58
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Originally Posted by Jimbo
It would explain the decline of the Roman Empire though.

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Yeah but no matter what methods they chose they always make it look good.

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1388056
28/10/2012 11:22
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
Originally Posted by Jimbo
It would explain the decline of the Roman Empire though.

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Yeah but no matter what methods they chose they always make it look good.


Any gibbon can do that...

All right, all right, I'll get my coat!


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: barnacle] #1388058
28/10/2012 11:48
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Originally Posted by barnacle
Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
Originally Posted by Jimbo
It would explain the decline of the Roman Empire though.

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Yeah but no matter what methods they chose they always make it look good.


Any gibbon can do that...

All right, all right, I'll get my coat!


That deserves capital punishment laugh

Back on topic, a perfunctory search doesn't reveal a serial outbreak of failing wheels but perhaps these instances are pointing towards a "shelf life" for the coupe's particular design. I feel reassured that mine were changed to a different make a few years ago.


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: Edinburgh] #1388095
28/10/2012 15:24
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Originally Posted by barnacle

Any gibbon can do that...

All right, all right, I'll get my coat!


That deserves capital punishment laugh


Sorry Simon: Any Gibbon can do that...

But I didn't want to make it *too* obvious!


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: barnacle] #1388210
29/10/2012 10:40
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I was in Hubby's part of the world over the weekend and the state of the roads are (still) terrible, even the main roads. Even in a Stilo with large sidewall tyres and soft suspension.

It can't be a coincidence that most of my car repairs over the last 5 years or so are suspension related - I don't remember changing suspension arms 20 years ago, just very occasionally worn out dampers.

So I suppose my point is that the shock of hitting road 'imperfections' (Fife's speciality is sunken manholes) and potholes is going through the wheel to get to the suspension which must eventually add to failure at any weak points?

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1388226
29/10/2012 12:28
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I agree
10 years of constant abuse is eventually going weaken a wheel no matter how strong it is


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Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1388230
29/10/2012 13:14
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FWIW, I cracked three of my Team Dynamics ProRace 1 - all were hairline cracks on the inside rim (where the wheel flexes the most)

Team Dynamics were 99% confident that these cracks were caused by prolonged driving on poor road surfaces (the inside of the wheel flexes when it hits bumps - the outside doesn't, as it's supported by the spokes)

Different failure, I know, but it illustrates the point that even high quality wheels can fail with a repeated beating

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1388232
29/10/2012 13:35
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I warned the members of the dutch forum aswell

Re: Wheel came off [Re: ] #1388242
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TimR is spot on, the roads in Fife are really bad

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