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Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #278411
20/01/2007 02:44
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Well done taz, how long till she is run in and you hit the rollers?

Oh dont forget nyssa has some 6speed internals ;\)

Or you can have my gearbox for free in exchange for yours and a new set of internals for me to put in it \:P

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congrats Taz ...................don`t spend too much time polishing.....enjoy driving it too \:\)


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Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: paul] #278642
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Good seeing you to Taz - was very impressed with your coupe - had you been another few minutes later and I would of taken it out for a test and run it in for you!! Your Coupe is as impressive as always regarding condition oh and not forgetting the 'Bling'

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Hi Hanny how is the Alfa going ?


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Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #278861
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finally washed the thing, amazing how much crud builds up \:D

Am very impressed by the helix paddle clutch, so bloody light its almost hard to believe that it's a seriously uprated bit of kit ( the next up is the twin plate jobbie which is a monster ! )

still a tad juddery, well, I haven't driven it yet to bed it in !

Lots of new bits fitted courtesy of Barbz. Am keen to see how the new rear arb feels, hopefully will have it all tracked / lined up next week when I can tax it ( that's all thats left )

then a few weeks running in, then off to PT \:\/

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I should employ you as my agent, I keep forgetting I've got them too!

They are in a box over at Auto Integrale, if Taz or anyone else is interested in them, give Keith a call on 0118 9710 281. £100 plus postage gets them

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Which bit Trevor?

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The complete innards for the 6 speed box

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ahhh lol

Id love them if i could fit them into my box but ho hum \:\(

You have played with the 5 speed box as well havent you?

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hmm.....

from what i've seen, the good old 5sp box is miles tougher than the 6sp, all due to the stupid taper roler bearings, which of course push the thrust onto the casing, which of course bursts after about 350hp & repeated application \:mad\:

mods ahead ! \:\/

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Well taz you could have my box if i could have yours with nyssa's bits fitted?

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so whats the going rate for a 2.4 bottom end these days then?

Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #279110
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Not really played with a five speed. We had one at first install, drove the kappa once with it but grenaded that first engine. Put a scarpper engine the same week but then broke the box on the rolling road the weekend after having grenaded the engine. What a week that was

We had a race that weekend, and another the following weekend. After a bit of thought, we went 6 speed (because Barbz had one and thought they might be stronger at the time), had the box in that week and made the race two weeks after the fun had all started

Have contemplated going back to 5 speed more than once, but I need the closer gearing of the Alfa 6 speed (and the fact I can use a 156 Quaife LSD). Have decided to accept gearboxes may be a "sacrificial" part - but racing is different to road use. Would also expect a gearbox to last a lot longer on a road car unless your dragging it every weekend

If I had a 2.4 road car, I'd probably go 6 speed because the 2.4's extra torque could pull the high 6th gear better and make it more usable

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 Originally Posted By: Taz
hmm.....

from what i've seen, the good old 5sp box is miles tougher than the 6sp, all due to the stupid taper roler bearings, which of course push the thrust onto the casing, which of course bursts after about 350hp & repeated application \:mad\:

mods ahead ! \:\/


Don't forget, there are two types of 5 speed box fitted to the Coupe. One is of similar design to the 6 speed, so weaker. The other is of similar design to the integrale box and can be strengthened with an internal plate

Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #279113
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Good to see your coupe is back up and running Taz! Still looks as fantastic as ever.
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Looking forward to hearing about the mapping \:\) Reckon the spoolup will suprise everyone! Just be gentle with it until mapped as when I ran my 2.4 first on the std ecu it could barely fuel it at 0.8 bar boost!!

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Cheers for the info Trev, much appreciated. I think that as time moves on, the box is the weakest link, & I will have to look into somehow uprating the internals of the 6sp, or going old skool & having a very early 5sp box, as the casings are bomb proof( ish ! )

@ John, yes mate, I WILL take it very easy \:D It has cost a small fortune & I would hate to ruin all of Barbz hard hard HARD work on the car. I think I really made the guy work very hard & for that I cannot thank him enough. His r&d work is amazing & what he can turn out from his humble workshop is something else !

Hopefully the running in will be a tame affair.

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\:o \:\/

well, it just gets betta & betta ( touchwood ! )

the engine has now done about 250 miles ( ok, only a small amount, but the 2.4 really realy shines ) , all gentle motorway cruising, with some loading up, so far, the exceptional porting & manifold meat removal has seriously increased spoolup, I can get my rather large turbo ( no idea on spec, but at a guess a GT32 ??! ) this fcukka spools up at about 1.8K ! \:o boost comes in by about 0.6bar at 2K, at the moment its on wastegate boost, so it won't really go above this, so preload is very light, put it this way, it's very odd cruising in 6th, as it can get into 3 figues on my private road very very easily.

Until it's run in, I have to be careful, as the ECU can get a bit confused with the extra flow into the block, the 3" zorst is a monster, will probably need some serious extra silencing, as at the moment I am only revving her to 3 - 3.5k, but this puppy is good for about 8k !

clutch is exceptionally light, but grips hard ( so far, we'll soon see on the rroad \:\/ ) , the F40 brakes complement the setup.

oh, torque is massive at the bottom end, it just pulls from 1 - 1.5K with no fuss, heaven only knows what this b'stard is gonna be like when it's run in & mapped.

watch this space \:\/

Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #286908
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excellent taz.

cant wait to hear how the OE management copes, will save a good amount if it works well.


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Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: Rog20VT] #286912
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nor can I matey, one I am counting on, as the cost of a standalone could be a killa °\(

I did speak at length to quite a few peeps, some of which were adamant that it wouldn't work, but so far Flea seems to have turned this theory on its head. Hopefully, my cop should be easier, as everything is in proportion, eg, engine, injectors, mass flow, turbo, air intake, etc, so scaling up should be easier ( hell, i don't know ! ).

will soon find out, as this could really pave the way for further developments \:\)

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yes you're right, your doing the work to make all coupes 400bhp +.

are you running a larger MAF?


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Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: Rog20VT] #286927
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keeping the maf the same, but using a few guys from work, we did a few flow calcs & guessed up a larger body ( approx' 40% bigger, to scale up the airflow ), some benefits of working at a big place ;\)

this may / may not work, so it's an experiment to see if the ECU can still interpret the AFM data. I assume PT will be able to use a flowmeter to measure what goes into the AFM & confirm the ECU sees this as a similar value ( albeit in a voltage reading )....

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hi taz. You coul try this shine MAPECU. i'm going to install it on my 20Vt. It can perform nicely as MAF at low rpm with free flow on high rpm. with laptop, you can remanage the range of 0-5v of MAF easily. no more cut fo maxed out.

it takes first the original signal of standard maf, then, you can take out the maf, connect this unit with plenumchamber, connecting PTS source, RPM and mapecu outsignal to pin 7in motronic (maf).

obviously, you must change ecu fuelmap when changing the 0-5v maf output from mapecu.
as name, it is simpy a MAP with pc controller.
for someone who wants to use a aftermaket ECU with original harness (for coming back in motronic), this solve the maf problem also. this is my way with motec+original harness+mapecu setup.

for more info:

http://www.mapecu.com/map1.html

and now, go for it 2.4 !!! \:o \:o \:o \:o

;\)

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Whooooooooooaaaaaaaa!

Signature slightly oversized there chief. ;\)


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\:P

sorry, is the same for UK & ITA forum... ;\)

Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #287884
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managed to get a few "build" pics, of my new hard induction pipe, seems to be helping \:\/

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/Tazcannibal/DSC00172.jpg

and oohh, wot's that ? a big fcuk off turbo & 3" downpipe \:#

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/Tazcannibal/DSC00168.jpg

a overbling pic, had to tone this fcukka down as it was getting a tad embarrassing polishing the lot \:mad\:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/Tazcannibal/PICT0014.jpg

more like this nowadays \:\)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e238/Tazcannibal/newcover-1.jpg , now you know why I went to a LOT of trouble relocating the oil filter, couldn't bear to get this lot oily \:mad\: \:\/ \:o

\:\)

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My god Taz, your engine bay is like looking into Goldie's mouth \:D I love that manifold cover \:# Can you PM me what sort of price it is for that to be done?



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Outta your range is the answer pinin!!

Mr Bling is back on the road! lol.

I bet your dishwasher is thankfull though hey taz \:D

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\:# \:# Oooh Taz, Please can we swap!!!

Looking very very smart!

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Re: 2.4 or not ??? [Re: ] #334851
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You managed to find time to get this thing run in yet Taz?


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finally all run in buddy, am actually waiting to have some quality oily stuff delivered by the most incompetent courier company the world ( no, wait, the universe, no wait, my arse ! ) could have dreamed of.

it's then a case of organising a mapping session to get up it n' running to near top end.

I still need to fit my DDS3 aquamist ( hopefully this weekend ) then a few bits & it's ready.

I had a full 3" zorst made up, but it's just too too loud for my old ears, so will have to sort this later.

the list goes on & on & on & on

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