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2013 #1399036
19/12/2012 22:10
19/12/2012 22:10

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What sort of mad power will we see in 2013 mid-high 600bhp monster coupes on fiat power plants

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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399038
19/12/2012 22:15
19/12/2012 22:15

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Watch this space laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399046
19/12/2012 23:24
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I'd only go for 600+bhp if the power band is wide ie 4k rpm width of power at least.

Until we are at this stage I'm not bothering.

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399048
19/12/2012 23:44
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Originally Posted by knight7660
I'd only go for 600+bhp if the power band is wide ie 4k rpm width of power at least.

Until we are at this stage I'm not bothering.


You'll be waiting forever as 600bhp+ on a small displacement engine inherently goes hand in hand with a narrow power band and lots of laaaaaaaag.

Ask Johnny. His car starts spooling at 7.5krpm. laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399049
19/12/2012 23:45
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I Would be very very surprised to see one beat JBT'S but you never know. smile

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399066
20/12/2012 01:53
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Originally Posted by Burbum123
I Would be very very surprised to see one beat JBT'S but you never know. smile


lol, keep watching this space laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399067
20/12/2012 01:56
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I'd stay at 340hp (did I say that? yes!) and then also use my (100hp) 125S. Old man I am...

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399081
20/12/2012 09:19
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Originally Posted by Biggenz
Originally Posted by knight7660
I'd only go for 600+bhp if the power band is wide ie 4k rpm width of power at least.

Until we are at this stage I'm not bothering.


You'll be waiting forever as 600bhp+ on a small displacement engine inherently goes hand in hand with a narrow power band and lots of laaaaaaaag.

Ask Johnny. His car starts spooling at 7.5krpm. laugh



Don't give the clue away mate.
Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399084
20/12/2012 09:39
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I would like to join the 400 hp club in Sweden. But it would be pretty lonely there. I would be the only member laugh


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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399088
20/12/2012 09:55
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo

Don't give the clue away mate.
Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


You're just jealous that I'm above you in the dyno league table. laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: Countrycruising] #1399089
20/12/2012 09:56
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lol, keep watching this space


Why limit yourself to one where there will be many laugh

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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399090
20/12/2012 10:04
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Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


On heartbreaker too, with nothing switched off or on. laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399095
20/12/2012 10:22
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Originally Posted by Biggenz
Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo

Don't give the clue away mate.
Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


You're just jealous that I'm above you in the dyno league table. laugh



Next year will bring a new table ,the table of truth my friend.

No pub figures just actual power,.
What's the point in having length if you can never use it laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399100
20/12/2012 10:57
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Originally Posted by Barbz
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Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


On heartbreaker too, with nothing switched off or on. laugh


cool tongue evil

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399104
20/12/2012 11:21
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well whenever the table of truth comes in I hope we have some graph action readit so we can see who has the best power band and not just pub numbers judge


Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399144
20/12/2012 15:35
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo

Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


As I recall. my 2.0 was running 587 back in 2007, even allowing for race fuel

The only reason we won't be getting 700 from the 2.4 is I don't need 700 as much as I need a decent torque spread, so have cams timed up to suit my requirements rather than outright numbers

Might not be run up before 2014 though even though the lump is built and ready, its the car that's the hold up frown

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399149
20/12/2012 15:56
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Originally Posted by nyssa7
Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo

Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


As I recall. my 2.0 was running 587 back in 2007, even


Wasn't that a bomb, rather than an engine though? wink

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399175
20/12/2012 17:56
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Got quite a few races out of it before snapping a rod on the "slowing down" lap

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399179
20/12/2012 18:04
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did you have any graphs for that nyssa? what are you planning to get out of the 2.4l build aswell

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399196
20/12/2012 19:30
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Originally Posted by nyssa7
Got quite a few races out of it before snapping a rod on the "slowing down" lap

Terror

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399208
20/12/2012 20:07
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Originally Posted by nyssa7
Got quite a few races out of it before snapping a rod on the "slowing down" lap


I was just teasing you Trevor...

Last edited by group5lancia; 20/12/2012 20:08.
Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399214
20/12/2012 20:49
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I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: kj16v] #1399230
20/12/2012 22:32
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Originally Posted by kj16v
I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh


Never mind onto the road. A lot of the flywheel figures 'obtained' are very easy to blow out of the water. They require a VE of over 100% (N/A - and never seen on any turbo engine due to the necessary timing of the exhaust cam) - not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....

Last edited by group5lancia; 20/12/2012 22:35.
Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399236
20/12/2012 23:58
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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399244
21/12/2012 00:50
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Originally Posted by group5lancia
Originally Posted by kj16v
I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh


Never mind onto the road. A lot of the flywheel figures 'obtained' are very easy to blow out of the water. They require a VE of over 100% (N/A - and never seen on any turbo engine due to the necessary timing of the exhaust cam) - not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....


I love your posts,
You talk so much sense.

Pity you don't post more fella thumb

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399254
21/12/2012 02:33
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Originally Posted by group5lancia
Originally Posted by kj16v
I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh


Never mind onto the road. A lot of the flywheel figures 'obtained' are very easy to blow out of the water. They require a VE of over 100% (N/A - and never seen on any turbo engine due to the necessary timing of the exhaust cam) - not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....

So true.. On paper mine is far from the powernumberjunkies in sweden. Still it seems as quick on the straights.. smile

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399277
21/12/2012 10:22
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
Would be nice to see a 2.0 actually break 500bhp next year too.


I could have seen 500 if I'd instructed Leighton to run 1.7 or 1.8 bar, but I wasn't interested in peak power.

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399278
21/12/2012 11:01
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
Originally Posted by group5lancia
Originally Posted by kj16v
I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh


Never mind onto the road. A lot of the flywheel figures 'obtained' are very easy to blow out of the water. They require a VE of over 100% (N/A - and never seen on any turbo engine due to the necessary timing of the exhaust cam) - not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....


I love your posts,
You talk so much sense.

Pity you don't post more fella thumb


Few people want to hear the truth, I fear...

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399298
21/12/2012 15:04
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I have no fear as I know the truth laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399306
21/12/2012 16:00
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Originally Posted by group5lancia
not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....


So what your saying is Fiat/Lancia really pulled it out of the bag when they put together the 5 cylinder engine?!

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