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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399308
21/12/2012 16:46
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
I have no fear as I know the truth laugh


And so do I Johnny boy, so do I... wink

Re: 2013 [Re: sherlock] #1399310
21/12/2012 16:58
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Originally Posted by sherlock
Originally Posted by group5lancia
not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....


So what your saying is Fiat/Lancia really pulled it out of the bag when they put together the 5 cylinder engine?!


No Barbz did thumb

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399333
21/12/2012 19:49
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Originally Posted by knight7660
did you have any graphs for that nyssa? what are you planning to get out of the 2.4l build aswell


Think I posted up http://www.nyssaracing.com/562.jpg originally, the Cyprus engine first map with GT30, but went back a few weeks later with more changes, swirl pot and new pump using the Mitsu Evo one purely as a lifter, and one of the silencers removed so pipe exitted behind driver's door. Mark @ Owen told me that run was 587 but never got round top getting the graph

Had enough fun on track for those it went past to fully believe the figures

Only really targeting 550 with the 2,4 but to come in lower and with bigger torque spread - but if more comes at sensible boost levels, that's where it will run

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399467
22/12/2012 20:46
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more graphs the better that way we can all see the results of different specs.

ive been looking at most of the big power coupes to work out the next stage il be going for but im missing an important one frown

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399473
22/12/2012 22:03
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Originally Posted by knight7660
more graphs the better that way we can all see the results of different specs.

ive been looking at most of the big power coupes to work out the next stage il be going for but im missing an important one frown




Which cars that


Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399484
22/12/2012 22:32
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but im missing an important one



I'll put my latest graphs up shortly then. wink

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1399485
22/12/2012 22:39
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Good lad,joes brother Adam does have a point.

Although with what I saw it might knock the odd beek out of joint.

As joes brother Adam rightly points out the spread of power is important.
You have nothing to worry about there Barbz .

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400130
27/12/2012 20:47
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Originally Posted by group5lancia
Originally Posted by kj16v
I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh


Never mind onto the road. A lot of the flywheel figures 'obtained' are very easy to blow out of the water. They require a VE of over 100% (N/A - and never seen on any turbo engine due to the necessary timing of the exhaust cam) - not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....


What does VE have to do with anything on a boosted engine, VE is not the limitation on the output of a boosted engine. But maybe you have a logic to your conclusion, how are you defining VE in this application?

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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400131
27/12/2012 20:52
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Originally Posted by sediciRich
Originally Posted by group5lancia
Originally Posted by kj16v
I hope next year brings a Table of Speediness too. See how many of these pub figures actually make it through the flywheel and on to the road! Bet that'll bring a few surprises laugh


Never mind onto the road. A lot of the flywheel figures 'obtained' are very easy to blow out of the water. They require a VE of over 100% (N/A - and never seen on any turbo engine due to the necessary timing of the exhaust cam) - not even F1 engines of 'The Turbo Era' managed the claimed levels per litre and per level of boost....


What does VE have to do with anything on a boosted engine, VE is not the limitation on the output of a boosted engine.


Of course it isn't... what would I know...

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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400133
27/12/2012 20:59
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well tell me what you do know instead of taking the hump because where I'm at you are confusing VE on a NA engine with some limitation of excess delta in compressor output to that seen at the valve i.e. meeting the limit of flow on the engine, you'll need to explain more and trust me Im quite capable of understanding someone else's interpretation.

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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400140
27/12/2012 21:25
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Originally Posted by Barbz
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but im missing an important one



I'll put my latest graphs up shortly then. wink



your 2.4 is the one i always watch out for because i like to see what move you get out of it after each improvement. smile

also it will be good to see the difference in power bands the extra cc brings with barbz's 2.5 build over the 2.4.

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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400154
27/12/2012 21:57
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Barbz, I think it's time you spilled the beans... wink

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400160
27/12/2012 22:29
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whats going on with yours biggenz?

any potential buyers or are you going to keep her? (maybe break the 2.0l bhp record some more)

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400176
28/12/2012 00:45
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whats going on with yours biggenz?

any potential buyers or are you going to keep her? (maybe break the 2.0l bhp record some more)

I wish he does keep it. wink


It only needs 2 performance enhancing products to push it to 600hp comfortably. cool

Over two years of pushing the tuning boundaries further than ever, we've removed a major weakest link in the chain , so onwards and upwards for the coming year. wink


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Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400177
28/12/2012 00:59
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Well one weakest link in Biggenz's car which is probably the biggest is:-











The ladyboy driving it laugh




Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400209
28/12/2012 10:47
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Originally Posted by knight7660
whats going on with yours biggenz?

any potential buyers or are you going to keep her? (maybe break the 2.0l bhp record some more)


I've taken it off the road but will be driving it again when it gets a bit warmer. I do miss driving it so I'm glad no one's bought it. The only problem is I will probably keep spending money on it which is a bad thing! laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400225
28/12/2012 12:25
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The only problem is I will probably keep spending money on it which is a bad thing!


Enjoy it, rather then give your money away to the Banksters.

Truly a special coupe. cool

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400238
28/12/2012 13:55
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Originally Posted by Biggenz
Barbz, I think it's time you spilled the beans... wink


I think so to Barbz

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400269
28/12/2012 20:19
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Originally Posted by gscozzari
Originally Posted by Biggenz
Barbz, I think it's time you spilled the beans... wink


I think so to Barbz


Yeah come on Barbz no ones seen your graphs yet even behind closed doors.
Maybe your making it up ???? laugh (rumours start that way )

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400283
28/12/2012 22:13
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Calm down lads! laugh

A very unique platform is being born so needs TLC. wink

Blew my gearbox to bits in two days of getting it back from mapper (thats with boost turned down to 1.6bar). crazy
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Maybe your making it up ????

Maybe hard working, enthusiastic, but not in the business of fabricating figures my friend. frown
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Yeah come on Barbz no ones seen your graphs yet even behind closed doors

All will be revealed very soon. thumb

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400289
28/12/2012 22:52
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[quote=Barbz]
Blew my gearbox to bits in two days of getting it back from mapper (thats with boost turned down to 1.6bar). crazy
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jeez dude another one! you should change your avatar to "strikes terror in the hearts of gearboxes".......

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400295
28/12/2012 23:06
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Ok I believe you and whatever you do has to work laugh

Won't be long until your new chocolate box goes bang as you couldn't be bothered to fit the terror proof box I spent days building by aaaaaaand with a proper proper sweet spot.
You'll love the gearing.

Your always changing things Barbz.

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400308
28/12/2012 23:51
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automatic box, Barbz wink

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400312
29/12/2012 00:40
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One of these boxes would do nicely at £7k a go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhPnwIe7yfk

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400463
30/12/2012 15:02
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Originally Posted by Barbz
One of these boxes would do nicely at £7k a go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhPnwIe7yfk


would never handle the torque.

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400543
30/12/2012 23:58
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Be suicidal if you blew up a 7k box.

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400564
31/12/2012 08:36
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Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
Be suicidal if you blew up a 7k box.


You say that, but it's only us coupe owners who think it's expensive when we have to pay a few hundred quid to replace a gearbox. tongue

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400572
31/12/2012 10:29
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Originally Posted by Biggenz
Originally Posted by johnnybravoturbo
Be suicidal if you blew up a 7k box.


You say that, but it's only us coupe owners who think it's expensive when we have to pay a few hundred quid to replace a gearbox. tongue


At 7k they have a point laugh

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400643
31/12/2012 17:50
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I think enough of us have blown up engines not far short of £7k?

Re: 2013 [Re: ] #1400666
31/12/2012 19:39
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Originally Posted by nyssa7
I think enough of us have blown up engines not far short of £7k?

JBT=3 cry cry cry

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