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Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 14:37
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A couple of days ago I stumbled on this page - 6 innocent sounding topics that are guaranteed to start a flame war. Now a few of them I can understand strongly differing opinions, but the one that really threw me was: Is 0.9' (i.e. 0.9 recurring) equal to 1. Firstly, it's hard to imagine how it cropped up naturally in conversation, but, secondly, it's even hard to see how anybody who has a strong enough opinion to post about it doesn't know the correct answer. So, in the interest of scientific enterprise, I thought I'd use FCCUK as a flaming litmus (which sounds like a cocktail served in the gay bars of the American South) to see if people really did have strong opinions on this. If you really must know, here's my reckoning: Let x=0.9'
10x = 9.9'
10x - x = 9.9' - 0.9'
9x = 9
x = 1
Therefore, 0.9' = 1
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 14:57
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mmm so you've just proved algebra is a sham and doesn't work...
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 15:03
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mmm so you've just proved algebra is a sham and doesn't work... How about that old favourite, common sense... 1/3 = 0.3' 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1 0.3' + 0.3' + 0.3' = 0.9'
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 15:40
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Well, I do like dogs and support the unification of Germany, so that's fair. While the maths nerds are here, somebody just asked me how long it would take to do this in Excel. I don't think he wants to wait 3 years while I do a maths degree.
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 18:55
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I think the answer is 42.
I follow your reckoning on the theory that 0.9' = 1 up until the final line where it at falls over.
0.9' does equal 1 if you are happy to accept that any number less than an infinite number of decimal places is an approximation. But even with an infinite number of decimal places, 0.9' doesn't quite equal 1, because you can take it to an infinite number of places + 1. Oh damn, think I just disproved my own argument...
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 19:20
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Well, I do like dogs and support the expansion of Germany, so that's fair. Corrected to best reflect Der Fúhrers ambitions. He was big into holiday camps as well. I would imagine as an Art student he was pretty crap at maths.
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 20:55
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Linda McCartney. This is a list of famous vegetarians, right?
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 21:57
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9x = 9 isn't the correct response to 10x - x. It's very close but is out by 1/e^infinity Infinity is not a number.
You could say that 1/infinity = 0. but that is also a problem, because if you divide 1 into infinite pieces and they end up with 0 in each, what happened to the 1?
In fact 1/infinity is known as undefined - i think
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24/04/2013 22:20
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9x = 9 isn't the correct response to 10x - x. It's very close but is out by 1/e^infinity Oh no it's not - 9.9' - 0.9' == 9, it's not out by any fraction at all. Even if it were, that wouldn't explain why 3(0.3')=1
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 22:41
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mmm so you've just proved algebra is a sham and doesn't work... How about that old favourite, common sense... 1/3 = 0.3' 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1 0.3' + 0.3' + 0.3' = 0.9' 1/3 = 0.33333333r. Your assertion that 1/3 = 0.3 is erroneous. Did you study art, Andrew? Ergo 3 x 0.3 cannot = 1. Unfortunately 3 x a decimal 1/3 (0.33333333r) will never equal 1 either .
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Nerd fight
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24/04/2013 22:49
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I'm siding towards the unsuitabilty of algebra to deal with numbers that require an infinite amount of digits to be exact. Therefore 0.9' <>1.
Of course getting back to the 1/0 discussion, if there's an infinite number of planets in the universe but only some of them are populated the average number of people per planet in the universe is therefore zero. From this, people don't actually exist and anyone you meet is merely a figment of your imagination.
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 08:45
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But there isn't an infinate number of planets, as the part of the universe that contains matter has an outer edge.
It would be good to philosphise an infinite number of plants with finite living organisms meaning all plants have less than a whole person but alas the earth has it's fair share so I guess it's a bit of a non starter.
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 10:22
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1/3 = 0.33333333r. Your assertion that 1/3 = 0.3 is erroneous. Did you study art, Andrew? I didn't say that 1/3 = 0.3, I said it equalled 0.3 ' (note the little recurring symbol there) And, no, I didn't study art. If you'd seen my art you'd know why
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 10:24
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Of course getting back to the 1/0 discussion, if there's an infinite number of planets in the universe but only some of them are populated the average number of people per planet in the universe is therefore zero. From this, people don't actually exist and anyone you meet is merely a figment of your imagination. I seem to recall that Douglas Adams did something similar in HHGTTG. Googling "Drake equation" may also be of interest to you.
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 11:34
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1/3 = 0.33333333r. Your assertion that 1/3 = 0.3 is erroneous. Did you study art, Andrew? I didn't say that 1/3 = 0.3, I said it equalled 0.3 ' (note the little recurring symbol there) And, no, I didn't study art. If you'd seen my art you'd know why I do apologise Andrew, I missed the ' symbol. I apologise even more for falsely accusing you of being arty.. :)* * Disclaimer - This should not be read as inferring that an Art degree is in any way inferior to a proper degree.
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 19:49
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Anyone undecided about this proposition is welcome to discuss it with MrsC (Masters in Fine Art). But I don't think I'll watch.
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 20:46
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It's OK. At least it's not Psychology. Or philosophy <scoff>
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 22:22
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* Disclaimer - This should not be read as inferring that an Art degree is in any way inferior to a proper degree. Corrected that for you. Where's MrsC? followed by
Up yours Photobucket.
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Re: Nerd fight
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25/04/2013 23:32
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