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Re: Homeland
[Re: ali_hire]
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23/10/2013 13:09
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AndrewR
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Are you cheating and watching them as they screen in the US? Channel 4 isn't showing episode 4 until Sunday night.
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Re: Homeland
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23/10/2013 13:11
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Hmmm. I have a massive problem with Homeland - it is unforgiveably inaccurate. I'm a huge fan of Damien Lewis and everything was in place for this to be a well-balanced, intriguing thriller. Series 1 is OK up to a point (apart from some laughable mistakes about locations and people and debriefing those extracted from hostage situations), but episode 1 of season 2 is just comedy. With some cringeworthy and all-too-predictable depictions of Mooz-lims. I sincerely hope it gets better in the later seasons, we just couldn't bear to watch any more. If you like your political thrillers "24" style, this is for you, if you want a bit more "Wire", look away! To be clear, this guy is brought out of captivity after 8 years, stuck on a flight and his wife and kids are there to meet him? Really? No assessment or security checking? 10 minutes later he's running for political office and running around a secure location in a suicide vest? And using a mentally-ill agent that has sex with him to track him down? Uh-oh, my head has just exploded...
I'm very disappointed.
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Re: Homeland
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23/10/2013 18:04
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Well perhaps ignorance is bliss, Jim. I'm not all that clued up on military protocols or the Middle East but, now that you mention it, the stuff you point out is perhaps a bit implausible. I've watched all of 24 and enjoyed most of it, but similarly I loved the slow burning nature of The Wire and The Sopranos. For me, Homeland is somewhere in between. The leading performances alone will keep me watching. Are you cheating and watching them as they screen in the US? Channel 4 isn't showing episode 4 until Sunday night. Yes. I couldn't wait.
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Re: Homeland
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23/10/2013 19:16
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Me and the missus loved the first 2 series of Homeland, but have been a bit disappointed with the first 3 episodes of Series 3. Looking forward to the twist in episode 4 now.......
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Re: Homeland
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24/10/2013 23:35
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Loved the first series. Enjoyed the second series The thrid series is so slow at the minute 
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 06:21
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I agree with you, Steve, and Homeland isn't the only example. To go back a couple of years, Heroes had a brilliant first series and then got itself into a complete muddle of time-travel. Also, I loved the first series of The Big C; it was funny and poignant and ended with a perfecty good wrap-up of the storylines... then they made at least 2 more series.
Sometimes it's fine just to end things while they're good and popular, they don't need to be dragged out forever.
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 08:14
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Life on Mars, that's how you do it. One brilliant series, one decent follow-up then drop it. The original LoM had 2 series, surely. They were both good, though. The end of AtA was a bit wanky as well.
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 08:34
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Heroes had a brilliant first series and then got itself into a complete muddle of time-travel. Very true. Even though it was going downhill I was still really disappointed to never have a satisfying ending to this show. I guess the writers get pressure from the money-makers. This is popular so let's keep milking it. It's a real shame. Homeland has just been renewed for a fourth series.
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 08:52
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Heroes does have a proper ending - it's right at the end of the first series. The baddie is defeated, all of the time travel is resolved, the personal story arcs are concluded and there was absolutely zero requirement for a 2nd series.
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 09:13
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The end of AtA was a bit wanky as well.
AtA wasn't a patch on LoM. Alex Drake was just an irritation.
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 09:26
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Heroes does have a proper ending - it's right at the end of the first series. The baddie is defeated, all of the time travel is resolved, the personal story arcs are concluded and there was absolutely zero artistic requirement for a 2nd series. Financial requirement, on the other hand...
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 09:28
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Life on Mars, that's how you do it. One brilliant series, one decent follow-up then drop it. The original LoM had 2 series, surely. They were both good, though. The end of AtA was a bit wanky as well. One brilliant one plus one decent follow up does make 2 series in my book... I wasn't talking about Ashes to Ashes, about which - IMHO - the less said the better.
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 10:05
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Homeland has just been renewed for a fourth series. CIA Bird: "He's a terrorist, trust me, I'm not a mentaller. Though, yes, I did sort of have sex with the bloke, dunno, just seemed like a good idea. Weeeee, I'm off my meds!" Former Hostage bloke: "I'm not a terrorist, honest. Er, can I become President or Vice President, or something where I can influence Foreign Policy and get close to lots of important people? Oh, and Allahu-Akbar" Everyone in positions of responsibility: "Of course, help yourself! What was that last bit?" CIA Bird: "No, really, he's a Moozlim and a terrorist! Woop-woop!" Former Hostage: "I'm really not, trust me." CIA Bird: "He is. Ffffsss. Biiing!" Former Hostage: "Am not" Etc. Series 5, anyone? Do I get a writing credit?
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Re: Homeland
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25/10/2013 19:51
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Homeland has just been renewed for a fourth series. CIA Bird: "He's a terrorist, trust me, I'm not a mentaller. Though, yes, I did sort of have sex with the bloke, dunno, just seemed like a good idea. Weeeee, I'm off my meds!" Former Hostage bloke: "I'm not a terrorist, honest. Er, can I become President or Vice President, or something where I can influence Foreign Policy and get close to lots of important people? Oh, and Allahu-Akbar" Everyone in positions of responsibility: "Of course, help yourself! What was that last bit?" CIA Bird: "No, really, he's a Moozlim and a terrorist! Woop-woop!" Former Hostage: "I'm really not, trust me." CIA Bird: "He is. Ffffsss. Biiing!" Former Hostage: "Am not" Etc. Series 5, anyone? Do I get a writing credit? LOL
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Re: Homeland
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28/10/2013 07:54
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AndrewR
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Season 3 has been a lot slower to unfold thus far (we don't even see Brody until episode 3, for example) but I've a feeling it will pick up pace after the latest plot turn. Sorry, but having now seen episode 4 I don't share your optimism. OK, the twist was unexpected, but that's because the first 3 episodes have been deliberately misleading. For example, we've seen Carrie's reaction to events when she has been alone which were as we'd expect them to be. The series has lost its way and is now obliged to keep blundering on to please studio execs, rather than coming to a proper and dignified conclusion.
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Re: Homeland
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28/10/2013 16:04
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OK, the twist was unexpected, but that's because the first 3 episodes have been deliberately misleading. For example, we've seen Carrie's reaction to events when she has been alone which were as we'd expect them to be.
True, I've been trying to find justification for certain bits of that episode, for example... the scene where she's alone in her house and watching Saul sell her out on TV. If she's in on it, why does she get so angry? Perhaps it wasn't all planned. Perhaps she did it off her own back to get back in Saul's good books.
She also tells Saul that he should have gotten her out of the hospital sooner, is this because he wasn't in on it or just because she's mental and couldn't hack it?
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