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Ashes 2013-14
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20/11/2013 13:41
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Here we go again...
I'll say 2-1 England, but it could be the same result in the hosts' favour.
Australia are definitely a better, more settled side than in the summer, and even then they should have made it a much, much closer contest. Who knows, even Mitchell Johnson might hit his straps on a regular basis and Harris could avoid injury... If Clark's back and Watson's hamstring don't give trouble and Bailey proves he's not a white-ball specialist, there could be a few more runs in the middle order.
There has been talk that England's top order can't score fewer runs than last time out, but that is stupid; of course they can.
I would be delighted if:
- Michael Carberry plays and makes a respectable score (he has really earned a break at the top level) - Bairstow has to step up and does a good job replacing Prior (we really need to look at our succession planning for the keeper). - Finn, Tremlett AND Rankin perform a decent job, (though I don't think any of them will be a revelation). - Root continues to grow in stature. (He has shown he has the temperament, let's see him get the runs). - Jimmy Anderson (or Swann or...) doesn't get injured. (We have to be prepared to lose Prior, another of the experienced match-winners would be a big blow).
If the above come true, and we do lose this series, there will still be plenty of very good players around to get revenge next time around!
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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20/11/2013 14:17
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The Aussies are certainly talking a good game, but like you Jim, I think we'll win the series. I'm going for 3-1. As for the England team, I think they'll go with Tremlett as the 3rd seamer. Finn is way too inconsistent and I've not seen anything from Rankin during the warm up games that makes me believe he's better than Tremlett. Fingers crossed Carberry has a good series. Would love to see him do well after all he's been through. Slightly off topic, but I'm going to day 2 of the 5th test in Sydney
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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20/11/2013 14:32
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Slightly off topic, but I'm going to day 2 of the 5th test in Sydney Also off topic; I hate you. Did I tell you I fly out 3 weeks today and am there for a month? I'll endeavour to post a picture on here from the SCG 
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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20/11/2013 21:06
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5-0 to Australia  I'm also going to Aus soon but unfortunately will be to late for the ashes. Bummer!
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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20/11/2013 23:44
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As @uscricket guy would say, LETS PLAY CRICKETBALL!
Not sure about the wisdom of playing Prior - if he does not last we will miss him. Badly. Id have had him as 12th man. Still, I think good calls for the rest of the team.
2-1 for me. Not predicting a result in this game, but lets see!
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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22/11/2013 09:38
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He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right, but he's actually pretty good.
Not sure there are any pluses whatsoever for England (Michael Carberry not getting a duck I suppose), but if (and it is a tiny, microscopic if) England save the game, it will really piss off the Aussies.
Not sure I understand why England's clearly decent batsmen have all had such a poor run of form, except Bell. And if you are always relying on one guy, sometimes it won't work.
Oh well, perhaps we've got our shocker over with early...
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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24/11/2013 14:56
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Well, we can't ignore it.
It seems that Australia's confidence pre-series was justified. Given that all of the players they were looking to to step up did so in style, it's an interesting question:
Are England over-rated average players who have just been lucky? Are they guilty of massive complacency? Have they been overtaken by an Australian side that has been UN-lucky?
England did not play badly on Day 1 - their performance (with the possible and worrying exception of Graeme Swann) was sharp and the bowling was hostile, accurate and effective. Once again, what has done the catastrophic damage has been the confoundingly appalling display by the batsmen. Why have the members of this unit of undeniably good (possibly even excellent) players failed repeatedly to deliver a fraction of their potential? Is it simply that they all have an achilles' heel that the Australian bowlers (especially a revitalised Johnson) have suddenly found and expoited with immediate effect? Or is it something deeper about their psyche? I think here it was an innings too far for the middle/lower order to save the day, and the second innings was just shell-shock. If England can come back from this defeat to draw the series and retain the Ashes, it will show that they are indeed a very special side. It looks a very tall order from here.
I absolutely disagree with bockers' suggestion that Flowers is not the right man to manage England; I don't think anything in his approach or methods indicates that he has done anything wrong.
Undeniably good though Mitchell Johnson was in this test, he isn't that amazing a bowler in world terms.
England have faced fast, nasty spells before and not been annihilated, so they need to remember how that works. And quickly!
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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24/11/2013 23:08
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Let's face it, the results in the last 2 series have probably flattered us, and the result in this one game probably flatters them. It's good to see the Aussie's taking it seriously and making a better fight of it, and let's see how well our guys respond in the second test  Could be a good series.
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25/11/2013 11:17
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It shows that even players who appear to be nerveless and ice cool like Trott are actually seething with anxiety like everyone else. I never saw him as that. I saw him as someone who used OCD rituals and routines in order to control his batting. I always worried he might have problems and hope he sorts them and returns refreshed. Last Aussie tour he was so focused on the routines that he often continued them when the session was over. How will they re-structure the team?
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Re: Ashes 2013-14
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25/11/2013 13:46
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Anyone who has been near stress illness will be feeling for Trott. This also demonstrates the lack of wisdom involved in picking out individuals for criticism outside the environment of the innings - you have no idea what they are going through behind the scenes.
Not sure what the new team will be, but it will get sorted out - If you can ignore the (stupidly) soft dismissals Cook, Bell, KP and Root were playing OK. For one test, I'm capable of putting it down to nerves and the heated environment of the Gabba. Plus it is quite possible that Johnson will be pinging balls in all directions at Adelaide.
I'm more concerned about Prior than anyone else. He is the bedrock on which our lower order performances are built. If he has swagger, so do they. I'd be seriously tempted to drop him, because its not working at the moment. I'd be doubly tempted if it were Summer and I could get him playing County Cricket - maybe we can find somewhere in NZ or SA for him to go and play. I know the Aussies think Bairstow is a walking wicket, but then so is Prior at the moment.
Then that leaves the gap in the Batting. Play Gary Ballance and call James Taylor up as cover?
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