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Re: Six Nations
[Re: ali_hire]
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10/03/2014 16:52
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Cracking game yesterday, with Twickenham basking in the sun. I would say England definately deserved the win, but gutted for Halfpenny as he was practically MoM playing on the losing side. Really good atmosphere in the ground, best I can remember in years.
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Re: Six Nations
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15/03/2014 20:38
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Well done to Ireland, holding out to France. Deserved Six Nations Champions. Thanks of BoD for 15 great years.
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Re: Six Nations
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15/03/2014 20:51
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Well done to Ireland, holding out to France. Deserved Six Nations Champions. Thanks of BoD for 15 great years. proper rugby response!
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Re: Six Nations
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15/03/2014 21:07
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Ireland deserved it overall.
What a cracking tournament this year has been though. I'm really hopeful for this England team's future. I totally agree, the best 6 Nations for several years. Very worried for Scotland though????
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Re: Six Nations
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15/03/2014 21:09
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Well done to Ireland, holding out to France. Deserved Six Nations Champions. Thanks of BoD for 15 great years. proper rugby response! Ha
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Re: Six Nations
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15/03/2014 22:11
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Feels like the French just let the Irish in. Brilliant tournament, shows the footballing poofs how sport and a tournament should be done, pashion and desire to the end yet full respect to the officials and each other. Shame for England, Wales so much could be's and Scotland??? Come on guys, you're so much better than this!
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Re: Six Nations
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15/03/2014 22:34
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Feels like the French just let the Irish in. ha ha harsh.
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Re: Six Nations
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16/03/2014 02:01
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Feels like the French just let the Irish in.
Ireland won the six nations on merit. I presume you drink sour grapes.
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Re: Six Nations
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16/03/2014 22:20
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Really good value tourney this year with some cracking action only interrupted by the blinking scrums Admittedly they're improved on last year but something further has to be done. Oh wait Murrayfield is being relaid... Talking of which what a disaster for Hogg who's not a foul player to have such a lapse which basically gave around 40 points to the Welsh. But anything they touched seemed to go sour on them - a pity because they are at least scoring tries now and there are promising footballers around. I'm particularly pleased with England's drive and energy; thank goodness the backs are being used and flair is being rewarded. Apart from the incredible Brown the two wingers look capable of bamboozling defences even if they have made a few initial howlers. A good result all round methinks and even the wooden-spoon Italians are playing at a level way beyond 5 years ago.
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Re: Six Nations
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16/03/2014 23:00
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the problem with england is the ethos. biased as i am, ireland deserved the championship. england played well, to a point, but their ego took over, as usual!
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Re: Six Nations
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16/03/2014 23:40
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If you're saying that certain members of the England team are cocky cheeky chappies I won't disagree with you, and it lets down the dignity with which nearly all other rugby players I can think of operate.
I wish football had more of this great ethos.
BOD was a great role model for anyone. A real privilege to have witnessed this guy play over the years. yea 100%. in all walks of life, being humble regardless of how talented you are goes a long way. BOD as great as he is/was never let the hype surpass him jonny w is a true england great from which the current squad including the manager should learn from
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Re: Six Nations
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17/03/2014 08:48
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the problem with england is the ethos. biased as i am, ireland deserved the championship. england played well, to a point, but their ego took over, as usual!
brown is a good player, but a d!ck.
stop assuming your great, prove it! Firstly I do have to agree Ireland overall deserved the championship, and I can't think a finer send off for BoD who is a true legend of the game in every respect.
However I have to totally disagree about England and their ethos. Under Lancaster I think they have really buckled down and concentrated on the rugby and they are reaping the rewards. There is a fine line between arrogance and confidence and I think England are confident right now and rightly so. They have a young team who is improving with every game who have the potential to become world beaters. They aren't there yet, but nobody can deny they are on the right trajectory, it is just a case of needing to keep improving like the players of 2003 did.
As for Mike Brown I can't say I've seen him be a d!ck, but then I haven't seen many interviews with him so can't judge. However to say 'stop assuming your great, prove it!' I think this tournament he has done just that: More metres made than any other player in this Six Nations. More clean breaks. Three man-of-the-match awards. Four tries. Exactly what more did he have t do to prove it?
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Re: Six Nations
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17/03/2014 10:26
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I have enjoyed this campaign. IMHO the Martin Johnson era was one of the worse England have been through of late. I always thought the arrogance back then was typified by Ashtons stupid swallow dives. I found the whole thing cringing to witness.
Ashton finally seems to have removed this element, dropping Ashton was the best thing he ever did.
I don't see Brown as anything more than a man growing in confidence and a perfect example of what Lancaster is trying to achieve with the squad and game plan. I think this sums it up perfectly. Under Martin Johnson I was embarassed to be an England supporter. There was loads of arrogance and nothing to back it up. Now there seems to be a building confidence without the arrogance which is well deserved. They do now though need to keep their heads as many teams get to be as good as England are right now, but most then never quite make they next step up. I am really hopeful with such a young team though this team can be as good at the 2003 team. I don't expect us to win the 2015 world cup, thought I think we will certainly challenge for it, but by 2019 we could potentially be world class. Nearly the entire squad currently will be around 27-32 by then!!!
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Re: Six Nations
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17/03/2014 10:40
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Apart from the incredible Brown the two wingers look capable of bamboozling defences even if they have made a few initial howlers. I don't think May performed at all well (or atleast not like his Gloucester performances). Too many of his runs are just crossfield, avoiding taking the hit and just slowing down Englands attack. In several cases taking the hit and a fast recycle would have been far better that a cross field run which takes him away from most of the forwards. Jack Nowell does seem to have developed though. He's getting into to some good positions. Overall a good team in the making.
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Re: Six Nations
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17/03/2014 11:51
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I don't think May performed at all well
Probably knackered from building that bridge in Thailand. Oh, wait...
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Re: Six Nations
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17/03/2014 15:08
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The winger point is an interesting one. Both May and Nowell have been playing well at club level and have rightly earned a shot at international level.
However, I think the days of needing blisteringly quick wingers is over. When was the last time you saw a winger have 10 yards of space on the outside to go around his opposite number? It rarely happens anymore, certainly at international level.
There just isn't the space anymore. Defenses are too well organised and defending teams just crab across the pitch until the touchline becomes a 16th man.
A winger still ultimately needs pace, but they also need power and strength as they are going to be asked to step inside their man a lot in the modern game. George North, Brian Habana and Savea are perfect examples of what the modern winger is all about.
As for the ethos of the England team, it seems fine to me. I'm not fortunate enough to be sat in the dressing room but from the outside they are saying the right things, acting the right way and getting the right results. Lancaster certainly seems to have removed some of the 'behavioural' issues which have plagued recent years. I think your right Ali. They have performed well at club level but that doesn't always cover to good internationals. The difference I see between Nowell and May is it seems like Nowell has developed in the few games hes had thus far and is getting to grips with the international game. I dont think May has done that yet and is still looking for the same gaps he gets at club level. If he continues this against the likes of New Zealand he (and England) will get punished.
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Re: Six Nations
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18/03/2014 09:05
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Both wingers I think have been fairly good and I'd agree Nowell is adapting better. However with Marlan Yarde getting back to fitness and Christian Wade due back from injury soon I reckon they become the starting wingers. It is a nice problem to have when you have 4/5 players all capable of starting for England on the wing.
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Re: Six Nations
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19/03/2014 11:37
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Lancaster's strategy in player development merits credit. May may not have shown us at international level what he can do, but I like the idea of having a different strategy to "Warren ball", as come the world cup, the game would just become a constant sequence of crash and bash!!! The development of Care, Twelvetrees, Burrell is testament to sticking with players who will play to the revised England/Lancaster game plan.
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