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English usage rant #1512640
23/10/2014 11:52
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AKA consultant-speak.

What it is with mangling nouns to make a ridiculous verb of them, which are then used in place of a much shorter and simpler verb - from which the noun was often taken in the first place?

Case in point: some chap on the radio this morning kept insisting that people 'utilise' hospitals.

They don't. They *use* them.

'To utilise' is a distressing and pointless verb formation from utilisation, which means the amount (percentage, say) a facility is used. What it doesn't mean is 'to use'.

It was odd; in his other comments he was talking a lot of sense.


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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512641
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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512642
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Because it makes the individual sound intellectual - Its the kind of mistake I would make coming from an education system that didn't really teach the basics of appropriate sentence construction.
It's been a long hard slog, and will continue to be for quite some time.

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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512645
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Sam, 'it is' or 'it's' please wink

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512646
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That's it Joe, I'm jumping in the car and off down to stamp on your foot.

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512647
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I wouldn't have even spotted that Barnacle, my educators didn't do a very good job I'm afraid.
But they did tell me to never begin a sentence with 'because'

I don't think they ever explained why though?

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512658
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Myself instead of me... drives me mad or even worse "me myself decided..." grr

Re: English usage rant [Re: ] #1512664
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Originally Posted By: nissansteve
I wouldn't have even spotted that Barnacle, my educators didn't do a very good job I'm afraid.
But they did tell me to never begin a sentence with 'because'

I don't think they ever explained why though?


Because they didn't know why? tongue


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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512666
23/10/2014 13:31
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And shouldn't be used to start a sentence either rolleyes

We've seen some bad cases of written english coming out of school teachers, they all "should of" known better grr


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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512667
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My pet hate among these is the verb to administrate; is there something wrong with administer?

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512680
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Orientate instead of orient...

'Because' is forbidden by teachers because it's *usually* the second half of a clause, so things dangle: I was late today. Because a cow ate my homework.

But... I was late today. Because of that I arrived after the building blew up. <-- nothing wrong with that, and not a *lot* wrong with the first. I think teachers forbid it just because they can.

Even people like Strunk and White, and Mark Twain, accept that the good writer knows when to break the rules.


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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512692
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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512694
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Spotted on the rear end of a learner car yesterday - "smile, your on camera" grr

I also find myself ranting at errant apostrophes, especially on signs - sign writers really ought to know better, or if not, employ a proof reader


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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512704
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I always emit a superior looking-down-my-nose tut when hotels mis spell accommodation.


Last edited by Gripped; 23/10/2014 18:31. Reason: Correcting my hypocritical poor spelling!
Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512708
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It does my head in when people in my office say that they are very "weary" of something when they mean "wary".

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512715
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Spotted today whilst on a jaunt through neighbouring towns.
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Re: English usage rant [Re: Gripped] #1512720
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Originally Posted By: Gripped
Whose coat's that jacket?



That one is a classic, in more ways then one.

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512723
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Whos trainers are these shoes. *Welsh accent

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512738
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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512741
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Originally Posted By: Gripped
I always emit a superior looking-down-my-nose tut when hotels miss spell accommodation.
Never mind about mis-spelling "miss spell" rolleyes Tut tut indeed!


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Re: English usage rant [Re: DaveG] #1512749
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Originally Posted By: DaveG
Originally Posted By: Gripped
I always emit a superior looking-down-my-nose tut when hotels miss spell accommodation.
Never mind about mis-spelling "miss spell" rolleyes Tut tut indeed!


I stand corrected. But don't you feel superior now too? Everyone's a winner.

Re: English usage rant [Re: Begbie] #1512779
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The misuse of the word Decimated always makes me banghead

Re: English usage rant [Re: jimbob13] #1512795
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Originally Posted By: jimbob13
Spotted today whilst on a jaunt through neighbouring towns.
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Should be slated for that!


Our daughter now in USA (and by the way expecting a sprog in May smile ) always used to say

"Me and Kirsty", "Me and Fiona" instead of "Kirsty and I" in spite of usually being quite correct about stuff. Think she still does crazy

I suppose that while (?whilst?) language is always evolving, punctuation perhaps doesn't.

Last edited by Edinburgh; 24/10/2014 00:13.

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Re: English usage rant [Re: Edinburgh] #1512799
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Originally Posted By: Edinburgh
always used to say

"Me and Kirsty", "Me and Fiona" instead of "Kirsty and I" in spite of usually being quite correct about stuff.


While (Whilst laugh ) I'm not the greatest at speaking and typing the correct grammar, this really annoys me, especially when I hear it at the end of the likes of ITV's News at 10. I would expect them to speak more 'proper'.

Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512810
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My least favourite is.

Innit

Wtf is that all about? Usage includes:

I'm off to the shop, innit.
I was watching football, innit.
You can't say that, Bro, innit.

As you can see it is as versatile as a full stop, or even a birds eye potato waffle!

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You may add 'nartamin' to that usage, BM...

Worse than me/I is me/myself; there seems to be a current usage of myself when me would be more correct: "Who did it?" "It was Kirsty and myself."

Bah.


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Re: English usage rant [Re: jimbob13] #1512817
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Originally Posted By: jimbob13
Spotted today whilst on a jaunt through neighbouring towns.
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What a classic laugh


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Re: English usage rant [Re: barnacle] #1512828
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Originally Posted By: barnacle
You may add 'nartamin' to that usage, BM...




I believe this could be regional, the combination of "do you know what I mean" is lesser spotted up here, but I am hearing more of the words "ask" and "you" being turned into a sneeze - axe choo.

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Originally Posted By: Big_Muzzie
My least favourite is.

Innit

Wtf is that all about? Usage includes:

I'm off to the shop, innit.
I was watching football, innit.
You can't say that, Bro, innit.

As you can see it is as versatile as a full stop, or even a birds eye potato waffle!


Up here you replace innit with "ken" - but heading west by the time you've reached Glasgow it's morphed into "but" or "bu' ", even "Jim" laugh

In Falkirk you are greeted with "Your oil pressure's away doon, eh ..."


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Those who say "did good" (as in "You did good" or "I did good in English at school today") would fear my righteous wrath.

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