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Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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17/09/2015 08:47
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Hello,
I am looking at purchasing a GTX28 series turbo for my 20vt, but these do not come with the turbine housing. Could anybody point me in the right direction to what I need to buy? 0.64 A/R preferred.
David
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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17/09/2015 18:26
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Which manifold type do I need to look out for? T3?
BTW, how did the gtx2867 work out? What sort of performance did you achieve? I'm personally looking at the gtx2860r for quick response. Or would you say this is too small for a 20vt?
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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17/09/2015 20:20
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Lieghton, what's your experience with GTX turbos? I did a lot of reading before choosing my turbo and saw a lot of back to back test of GTX vs GT series. Tests revealed that a GTX turbo will spool slower than a GT turbo but then will blow more air in higher revs. So, if dw89 is looking for a GTX as he wants faster spool then that's not the best option. I guess that your hybrids are the way to go though .
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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18/09/2015 13:25
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I've been looking at the compressor maps of the GTX2860r vs a GT28r. The GTX has a very similar efficiency down the bottom of the graph, but is able to blow out enough air for approx. 400bhp..if one were to run as high as 1.6bar.
Leighton, I have been very tempted with the Hybrids, but have been interested in just trying something new...which will probably just burn a hole in my pocket without any gains over the hybrids...
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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18/09/2015 14:49
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I've been looking at turbo's too, and from what I can tell the GTX2860R is a development of the GT2860RS (aka GT28rs) whereas the GT28r is aka GT2560R which is just what I have taken off my Coupe. It depends what power you think you want and whether you want to stick with standard internals or go forged? And isn't the extra "X" in GTX for the turbine with 10 blades, not 11? But I don't understand this idea of selling without the turbine (exhaust) housing, that's just asking for trouble with mis-matched setups surely?
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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18/09/2015 15:18
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AFAIK, the idea of selling GTX without turbine housing is that it is an upgrade for the Gt series so you reuse your old turbine housing.
Of course it is a matter of what power, torque and spook you want. Whether you want to go forged or stick with standard engine internals.
Difference between GT and GTX is not the turbine wheel but he compressor wheel and its housing. Even though Garrett says that the compressor wheels for GT2660 and GTX2860 are the same size is no the case. The GTX uses extended tip technology and because of this it is 2mm wider in diameter. So, naturally it can flow more air plus it is different designs wheel with 0/11 blades (billet for GTX) instead of 6/6 (cast iron) in GT2860.
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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18/09/2015 15:28
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Slightly off topic, in the real world, is there a noticeable difference in response between the GT28R and the GT28RS?
As i have been doing some reserach, overlaying the compressor maps, and due to the GTX2860r being smaller then the GT28RS, it has the same characteristic low down as the GT28R (GT2560), but with the mid of the GT28RS
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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18/09/2015 15:50
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Yes, there is difference between GT28R and GT28RS. Why do you think that there is a hybrid called GT28RSR?  - GT28R faster spool (rated up to 300bhp) - GT28RS more power as you go up the rev range (rated up to 350bhp) - GT28RSR best of both worlds You are incorrect. GTX2860R is bigger then GT2860RS.
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Re: Which Turbine Housing for GTX28xx on 20vt
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18/09/2015 16:30
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I know that the GT28R is the fastest spool and the RS and RSR..etc..but I was wondering if anybody has driven them back to back, and if there is a noticeable difference between the 2/3 turbos? Also, regarding size, i was just going off the Garret website which states the GTX2860r has a Compressor ind Diameter of 45.70mm as opposed to the RS which has 47.2. Exd diameter is also smaller by 0.1  This is what lead me to believe that the GTX2860r is smaller, coupled with the fact it is applicable to a smaller engine size range and is efficient enough to be run at a lower power band.
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